Classic sit ups not bio-mechanicly relevent?

[speedster12]

You are talking about sit-ups. The thousands of reps came from many exercises. Your time is off.

@TNT

So what’s the point of using momentum??? What is this corssfit???

In high school, my younger bother did 1234 sit-ups and still holds the school record. He needed a pass from the PE teacher because it went into the next class session. 1234 sit-ups = more than 1 hour. My calculations are not way off.

Anyone have the guts to prove me wrong??? Didn’t think so.

TNT

[RB34]

[quote="“pierrejean,post:521,topic:40404”]

@Goose232"

I said it’s part of a fitness envelope, not the only aspect. Also, BJ or JR weren’t asked to chose between abs and running, they did both! Anyway, go with us for our indoor core circuit which has a repertoire of about 50 exercises (we don’t do them all), or our 300 abs with or without med ball performed after tempo, or the tempo runs with abs btw reps, you will see it’s really part of the fitness build up for us. Looking at the global picture, there are bridges btw those core exercises, the runnings, the throws, the jumps and the therapy, as well as pedagogical considerations.

My question is this, how important is it to perform high volume ab work if the athlete is sprinting-jumping-throwing-lifting? I find ab work to be extremely boring and usually slack on it a lot. Seems like even at the lower levels athletes are performing 1000-1500 reps of abs weekly.

[star61]

I don’t think there are many, if any, on this board that can do situps at 1/sec for anything over 100 situps. And I can’t see any valid reason to do 30 sets of 100 situps even if its spread out over the day. Its not close to being specific to sprinting and there are better ways to develop fitness that take a lot less time.

[bobsanchez4321]

I did 1000 situps, 1000 push ups, and 1000 squats every night for 3 weeks straight…it pretty much took over my life. At the very best, I could knock out the push ups and squats in around 50 minutes by doing 20 of each on the minute every minute. The sit-ups, on the other hand, took FOREVER. The most I ever did continuously was 505 and that took 30 minutes nonstop. These exercises usually ended up taking hours upon hours because I broke it down into smaller chunks.

[RB34]

@bobsanchez4321

I did 1000 situps, 1000 push ups, and 1000 squats every night for 3 weeks straight…it pretty much took over my life. At the very best, I could knock out the push ups and squats in around 50 minutes by doing 20 of each on the minute every minute. The sit-ups, on the other hand, took FOREVER. The most I ever did continuously was 505 and that took 30 minutes nonstop. These exercises usually ended up taking hours upon hours because I broke it down into smaller chunks.

Were you a beast after those 3 weeks?

[bobsanchez4321]

Doing it helped me regain some muscular development that I had lost from not lifting weights for over 6 months. I did end up losing weight though. I went from mid 190’s to 187. It made me look a lot more lean and defined and I was already very lean to begin with.

[Charlie_Francis]

[quote="“Goose232”]

@pierrejean

The purpose of doing bunch of abdominals is not to improve speed but is part to a fitness enveloppe which includes coordination/strength/flexibility/therapy orientated, etc drills, a general and non-specific, albeit individualised, work for sprinting.
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Ben Johnson’s 1 mile warm-up jog, or John Regis occasionally jogging for 2 miles, probably did as much for their over all fitness, as the high rep abdominal work. I honestly don’t know how one thousand sit ups is better than one thousand running strides.

I know you are not necesarily recomending high abdominal reps sitting on the floor, you are saying that ‘you need to do what needs to be done at a given time’ etc, I agree with that. But I just think there are better options than high rep sit ups, but don’t know for deffinate.

Sit ups equal jogging?

[rainy.here]

@TNT

So what’s the point of using momentum??? What is this corssfit???

In high school, my younger bother did 1234 sit-ups and still holds the school record. He needed a pass from the PE teacher because it went into the next class session. 1234 sit-ups = more than 1 hour. My calculations are not way off.

Anyone have the guts to prove me wrong??? Didn’t think so.

TNT

I once did 1000 sit ups in a row. It took me about 30 minutes.

[speedster12]

we are not talking strictly about sit-ups.

@star61

I don’t think there are many, if any, on this board that can do situps at 1/sec for anything over 100 situps. And I can’t see any valid reason to do 30 sets of 100 situps even if its spread out over the day. Its not close to being specific to sprinting and there are better ways to develop fitness that take a lot less time.

[stilljd_5]

I have to question if they were a true situp or a crunch, a terminology mix up maybe

[speedster12]

they used a ton of exercises, not just sit-ups crunches but bicycle kicks, med ball work and plenty more. Many of the reps do not come all the way up like traditional sit-ups.

@stilljd_5

I have to question if they were a true situp or a crunch, a terminology mix up maybe

[stilljd_5]

sure would teach the lactic system to work

[100m001]

@star61

My main problem with the ‘thousands’ thing is the time involved 30min/1000. .

I don’t see any problem with time when you are a professional athlete. Once track practice and weight room work is over, you have HOURS to kill before the next day starts.

[100m001]

@Goose232

I honestly don’t know how one thousand sit ups is better than one thousand running strides.
Yet so many sprinters do these abdominal exercises, so I’m curious as to why. There must be a reason, or is it really a fear that ‘if left alone’ it could lead to problems?

Have you ever tried it?

For the first time in my life last year I just jumped into doing 800 reps of ab work (with a 18lbs med ball) a week, and in about 2-4 weeks in, I felt a difference in my sprinting, as in, I felt I had more stability when I ran and my reflexes were much more sharp and crisp. Also, the looks of my mid section changed to match the rest of my body in that of an athletic appearance.

You figure there has got to be a reason why such an old fitness technique (med ball sit ups) has been around as a staple for such a long time.

[star61]

@100m001

…For the first time in my life last year I just jumped into doing 800 reps of ab work (with a 18lbs med ball) a week…

This seems much more reasonable than 1000’s of unresisted situps. A little over 100 reps per day, even 200 reps per day, with resistance seems a much more effecient way to work the abs.

[100m001]

@star61

This seems much more reasonable than 1000’s of unresisted situps. A little over 100 reps per day, even 200 reps per day, with resistance seems a much more effecient way to work the abs.

Well yea, you got to find what works best for you… In my case, being that I don’t get paid to run I think dedicating 800-2000 reps of med ball is enough to get me in the game if I’m good enough. If I was getting paid, I would be doing 4k a week with no complaints or gripes about it.

[RB34]

@100m001

Well yea, you got to find what works best for you… In my case, being that I don’t get paid to run I think dedicating 800-2000 reps of med ball is enough to get me in the game if I’m good if I’m good enough. If I was getting paid, I would be doing 4k a week with no complaints or gripes about it.

You guys are dedicated, I’m probably doing 200 abs per week.

[100m001]

@RB34

You guys are dedicated, I’m probably doing 200 abs per week.

Hmmm, not sure if you are using a med ball but it helps because it makes it fun! I just take my time with it, rest when I need and change how I throw the ball. After a while you go into BEAST mode and you just refuse to give up until you reach the number in your mind.

I was going mine in the gym but I no longer go to the gym that had the med balls so I need to buy my own real quick! I plan on using the med ball outside against a brick wall that is right next to the track I use and resume my abb routine after tempo. BTW, I just started doing sit ups and abs DURING tempo and I have noticed a change. Wow man, Charlie has his stuff down pack! You just got to put it all together and do it.

[RB34]

@100m001

Hmmm, not sure if you are using a med ball but it helps because it makes it fun! I just take my time with it, rest when I need and change how I throw the ball. After a while you go into BEAST mode and you just refuse to give up until you reach the number in your mind.

I was going mine in the gym but I no longer go to the gym that had the med balls so I need to buy my own real quick! I plan on using the med ball outside against a brick wall that is right next to the track I use and resume my abb routine after tempo. BTW, I just started doing sit ups and abs DURING tempo and I have noticed a change. Wow man, Charlie has his stuff down pack! You just got to put it all together and do it.

Are you talking about the mb wall circuit or regular mb ab movements (situps, toe touches etc)

[Goose232]

[quote="“Charlie_Francis,post:164,topic:20887”]

@Goose232"

Sit ups equal jogging?

No, I think jogging or any type of skipping or running variations are superior to any type of sit ups. I should have said that in my original post. Why I didn’t, I don’t know.
I still do’t get the reason for doing sit ups, when the muscle tensions generated in running are often higher than in gym work, even if the time under tension (per stride) is over quicker than callasthenic reps. But the running strides have more spacific neural tensions.

If I knew, or if you or any other knowladgeable person with experiance of high reps or intensive weighted reps of abdominal callasthenics, could tell me a good reason for doing them, then I would include them.

I only see that the shoulder girdle, and the lower back, are better trained in the gym than on the track, but all other muscle groups (including abdominal/obliques) are better trained thru the running / hops / sprinting / skipping etc…

Weren’t atleast some of your training groups callasthenics reps, actually done in a standing position? Like the “around the world” med ball drill?