Are Powell, Bolt, and Gay faster than Ben Johnson at his peak?

like this maybe?

Edit: Tried to post a pic but I’m too stupid to figure it out.

Why the hell was he in lane 9 of the fast semi anyway? That being said, why the hell was Martina in lane 9 of the final?

well didnt he have one of the 8 slower times (out of 16) after the quarter finals, that would be why ?

Well for example, Churandy was #5 going into finals and got lane 9. No one knows the rules in track because they make no sense. I’ve had enough of these “random draw” excuses.

Isnt it top 4 times from semi finals get inside 4 lanes randomly, and 5-8th ranked times from semis get the outside lanes randomly ?

Top four times are drawn at random into middle lanes and second four drawn at random into the outer lanes.

A few of the conversions that you guys use on here have seemed a bit fast. I’ve noticed this before, but didn’t think much of it. Wither it’s the 400m or the 200m.

For example

Most of the conversions i’ve seen on this site have given MJ somewhere in the 41.x range for a theoratical best in the 400. While my calculations have him at 42.8 and above. My conversion for Gay last year in the 200m based on his 100m was 19.58-19.64.

And this year with Bolt(prior to 9.69)I had him at 19.56-19.60. Which is why I said before that I didn’t think he could break the record. So my question is where do these conversions come from and why do they always seem so fast!

For prediction sake, I think Bolt can run between 19.26 -19.38. The gap in times is due to the obvious variables. He can have a bad race, or just run out of gas and run 19.5x(can’t believe I just said that) My prediction is also based on the idea that he could have run faster than 9.69. So I left a cushion for the idea that he could have run 9.64.

Rather than height maybe we’re seeing a shift towards stride length. Correct me if I’m wrong, but aside from BJ don’t all the sub 9.8 guys have monster stride lengths? What’s the total stride count of the all time fastest 100’s?

I base it on the hand time era conversions coaches used to use for best case scenarios as follows:
For 200m 2 x 100m + or - .2
For 400m 2 x 200m + 3.5 sec
To get to hand, you need to pull .24 off first- do the calculation, then add .24 back to the end result.
For example MJ: 19.1 + 19.1 + 3.5 = 41.7 add back .24 (approx) and you have 41.94

On what he’s shown to date, Bolt might just work the first 60m and dance the rest and win “slow for show” again.

Once he knows he’s got the win, his mindset seems to be to enjoy the moment. Can’t blame him for that, but given his career-long injury issues up to this year, maybe he should give some consideration to taking his genetics out to the edge while he’s able, to post a performance - another one - for the ages.

I agree with CF’s basic numbers and it would be superb to see Bolt take a crack at fulfilling that physical potential, but I reckon he’ll celebrate as soon as he can in the race and showboat the straight.

I think Bolt has more comp in the 200. A bunch of 19.6 guys and the Olympic champ. It’s going to be more of a challenge than beating a 9.90 guy to win the 100.

Let’s be realistic. Crawford won’t put up a challenge to bolt; His fastest days are behind him.

Spearmon with 19.65 hasn’t been that for two seasons.
Dix looks ready to run as fast or faster than his 19.69 from the NCAA East Regional last year.

In my view, Bolt will only have one person who’s capable of being remotely close to him, and this is Dix. Dix looked good in the 100mm, he looks lean, and I’m hoping his speed endurance is good so he can run another fast time. Bolt’s margin of victory in the 200m should be easily larger than that in the 100m. Bolt’s 19.67 was run into a 0.5m/s, and the 19.86 seasonal bests for Dix and Crawford were with 1.7m/s tailwinds. Based on that data, Bolt is at least 3 tenths faster than anyone else right now.

I am being realistic. The 200m guys will put up a better fight than Gay and Asafa who everyone here picked to win when clearly Bolt was going to “bloodbath” the 100 (visible after quarters). I would hope his winning margin is bigger in the 200 if he actually runs the entire race.

I still think Bolt will win but I don’t think it will be by .4 with him slowing down against weak competition (aka 9.7 guys running 10).

Hmm, if that’s how it goes, I should be running between 25.4-25.8 for my 200…damn…

I see two possible scenarios;

  1. Serious running to the finish with sole target of breaking the WR

  2. Fun run.

If he decides to go flat chat to the line he will either break the WR or run the second fastest time ever. If he runs the WR he will win by a margin that will make us shit our pants because I do not see a single other guy who will break 19.90. However, if he runs the second fastest time (due to fatigue) the winning margin will still be - HUGE.

If he opts for the scenario 2 - he will run 19.70-19.80 range but will make it so much fun so we all together on this forum cum in our pants - again!

The winning margin for this scenario won’t matter because as we all know that in this case he would not do100% of his capacity.

Either way, the double (if he does not stumble or gets injured) is guaranteed.

Other medals - Dix, Spear- brush the shoulder off - mon, and the ZIM guy (can not recall his name).