Post it and who said it.
The response was in question to whether it was something about olympic lifts. He went on to explain how, depending on the athlete, he will use plyos, medball throws, or olympic lifts or even accupunture stim (which he had used with Donovan a number of times).
I guess no one else but Davan has seen the videos from the Canadian Athletics website. They are filmed clinic sessions with Dan, where he confirms (straight from his own mouth) everything that Davan has said.
There are certain coaches that may twist things that they do around, but as much as Dan has spoken and shared I don’t know that he would be one of them. So I’m not sure how we don’t take this as true.
wow, i didnt know Gardner could do that…jeez, thats crazy, yeah im from britian, live in usa though.
although, thinking about it, gardners clean im sure would be a great reason why his 0-30m speed was so incredible…im also real good upto 30m. Drops off a bit after that though…
i love the clean !
This was from Pioneer I believe:
''As crazy as this sounds, I know of two very well known individuals in the world of strength training/periodization and track and field who say that they were both informed by Pfaff himself that Bailey performed 10 singles on back squat at 90% of his 1rm for the lift underneath the Atlanta stadium hours before the final. I do believe they had weight facilities at the stadium. They obviously could not confirm that it occurred but swear this is what they were told."
That’s why I would rather hear it from the source. The people who have actually heard the audio/seen the seminar are probably laughing that this is even being debated by people who haven’t heard Dan speak. Pfaff said it out of his own mouth. If someone heard something from someone who held Pfaff’s luggage once or held the blocks of one of his athletes at some random indoor meet, that’s a bit different than hearing it from Pfaff himself. Just like we take Charlie’s word as what was done with BJ, I think it is correct to take Pfaff’s word as to what he did with Donovan.
btw Donovan tore 3 adductors 10 days out from the rounds of the 100m, so I’m not sure he would have chosen heavy squats anyway.
…and this is what I was told, though, admittedly, not by Pfaff himself-so I cannot confirm it as anything but as a story passed along.
I did have an opportunity to sit down and talk with Dan, here in N.C., about 11 years ago ( about an hour or so) regarding his training but this occurred before I heard that particular story.
For sure - try it out - but would you gamble it on an Oly games from what a therapist has said if you hadnt tried it before on that individual in weak competitions!!
When you walk into an oly games - you better bring with you tried n tested projects - it ain’t no time for Gambling.
He is lucky what he did paid off. Like you said, some get results and others don’t from it. Imagine if Donovan didn’t…
And you know that this is what he did how? Is that what Pfaff said? Because he sure tells a different story. BTW, do you know who the therapist is? Do you know the experience of said therapist?
When you walk into an oly games - you better bring with you tried n tested projects - it ain’t no time for Gambling.
He is lucky what he did paid off. Like you said, some get results and others don’t from it. Imagine if Donovan didn’t…
How was it gambling if it was something they had done before and done successfully before?
Davan - i got it from here - Sharma should know - didnt Matt S work with Dan a lot?
Like you said, some get results and others don’t from it. Imagine if Donovan didn’t
I don’t know if DB actually lifted the day of the final, but, as I posted earlier, pre-race activation sessions are something normal for Dan’s athletes, so it was not an idea that came out of the blue.
You can do it 48 hours to a few minutes before a race, all you need to do is tweak the loading parameters.
Sharma didn’t even believe Donovan did the cleans and his “source” was incorrect about the timing of them.
Everyone seems to know everything about what happened except for Dan Pfaff. Pretty amazing.
Totally agree that you can use then 48hrs before! In fact it can be extended and started from a week out to a couple of days before.
As to a few minutes before, or after a race - i have only heard Rumors - and them rumors keep turning out to Be B.S. - not saying it Cant be done - just that when you do hear it so often - its like the boy who cried wolf…
Also - not many facilities enable Weight use before events. Hence why Med balls are popular - they can fit in your luggage.
I had my athlete do squats before a 1/4 final at the Worlds in Paris (2003).
We were not the only ones using the gym at the stadium before racing.
Stop posting on this subject as it pertains to DP. Since you know so much about what he did and what he really should have done, perhaps you can inform him on how to really get the good results.
your guys are silly, stop all the drama
No I never said he never did them. I just wanted further proof. So I asked someone who spent the last month with Dan.
When he starting to have injury problems his coached was influenced by Dan idea’s. Early on, the program was similar to Tellez.
Dans good, however you need to get therapy on most days and without it , the programs just doenst work. I prefer CF system because athletes just don’t the same volume of injuries, and its just more simple to follow.
What injury problems are you referring to? I was under the assumption that at least Donovan’s injury was due to a freak basketball accident in the off-season?
Did Dan mention how he determined which potentiation method to use with each respective athlete?
He says multiple times that he tests and tries out new things throughout the season. Nothing huge, but for example, maybe in the early season they’ll do their lifting in the morning before sprinting to see if they respond well to that, or maybe a medball session. They’ll also play with the frequency of sessions to see how the athletes recovery (one example was Ashahara being able to go three days in a row before rest, but Obadele needing 2 days of rest–1 active 1 passve–before being able to do more work).
Donovan’s achilles injury was from basketball I believe, not to mention he had a serious SI problem from childhood because he fell out of a tree and fractured the bone when he was young, which led to a lot of pelvic issues.