These two deserve each other. Who on this forum couldn’t get the same results or better in half the time. 3 hour weight workouts? 1-2 hours of running after? Does he think he is training Superman? Nobody can recover from theCNS load that Barwis delivers. Sure, his guys may be mentally tough, but they are certainly overtrained. To top it off, what could you possibly be doing from 10am to 10 pm? These coaches need to learn to back off. Nowaday kids are expected to be at school through summers for training. What happened to going home and getting a job to save money for next year beecause you can’t work while on scholarship. Pro’s don’t spend that much time in prep and that is miles more complex than college ball. Idiots
My college team does a similar workout to that of Barwis’ template except are workouts are a lot shorter, most rarely lasting more than an hour. There are tons of “injury prevention”, “balance”, and “functional” exercises that we are required to do. I actually have Michigan’s Manual from last year if anybody wants to take a look at it. Personally being a follower of Buddy Morris’ and James Smiths’ work and use of Eastern Bloc Methodology I find these types of workouts less optimal to a football player, considering what is required of an American Footballer.
Not so long ago, we were talking about the fact that nobody could be worse than Mike Gittleson. Never say never…
Funny but sad.
Ok I’ll admit I dont know anything about Gittleson. I hear some people say that he was not that good. Speedcoach, Charlie, Number two, can 1 of you guys fill me in on how bad this guy was. You must forgive me I’m a former MSU spartan so I pay absolutely no attention to U of M at all. Even though I must admit me and Michigans track coach have talked and got along really well when I was running track.
I didnt mean just those 3 answer the question. Can anybody please answer my question? Thanks in advance.
Gittleson was a HIT guy, one set to failure on all lifts. His famous leg workout was hammer leg press your body weight in weight for 100 reps.
I have their old conditioning workouts, but it is not in a structured form, just drills. Also do not have any speed work they may have done. Agility work was traditional cone drills.
was the HIT, which instantly drove me away. I had him at Michigan camp in 1983 and didn’t think much of the stuff we did. He was Bo’s guy so he got to stick around. Michigan men and loyalty. Barwis is way better, but he just does the throw as much S*%T on the wall and see what sticks. He tries to blend too much from varying schools of training, and at way to high volume and exposure. Apparently hasn’t heard the term “training economy”. I think he thinks you can adjust the body to take on a higher training volume, but at what expense? WHo needs to be at practice for 10 hrs the day after a game. These guys are over the top, but I think it is more indicative of the general climate in major college football. They treat it like pro football. The problem is, the pros don’t do nearly the amount the college guys do. Don’t some of the Michigan faithful get the idea that these are still young men.
Whilst it may not be a 10 hour day, there are other teams who go full pads and hit the day after a game.
that falls under the category of dumb. It’s hard enough to keep players healthy without subjecting them to more “collisions”. I guess i just look more for improved performance. You can’t possibly get better if you are constantly under so much CNS stress.
Barwis probably doesn’t care about all of this as long as he still gets his $190,000 salary.
Anyone know their injury rates at Michigan? I know the pros keep stats on injuries or hours lost or something like that, not sure if colleges do.
I’m curious to know because these numbers
For the season, the Wolverines were outscored, 166-157, in the first half — and 181-86 in the second half, when conditioning is crucial.
Michigan finished with a 3-9 record. The low point came in October, when the Wolverines lost at home to Toledo.
are brutal. It’s only the first year but two more years of this and it’s a trend.
I’m sure they are very high, I remember there starting QB being out with a shoulder injury. Barwis subscribes to the old saying that “strength hurts, but speed kills”. Which I to an extent agree with, but not to the point where all you do is hypertrophy work, “injury prevention”, “balance”, and “functional” exercises, yet leave out maximal strength, explosive strength, speed-strength, and proper plyometric exercises. One thing I’ve noticed is also is that he doesn’t take into account the various requirements of each specific position in American Football, lineman train exactly the same way as the quarterbacks do… tell me there isn’t something wrong with that. Sure your skill players should be fast, but your lineman should be strong, explosive, and able to drive somebody off the ball, not stand or jump onto a swiss ball. There conditioning has nothing to do with football or the energy system that it requires, they will do runs for up to 640 yds. Michigan got man handled in there games last year, now I wouldn’t say that is all due to the workouts they do, (some is just personal) but it would sure help them out astronomically if they did do optimal ones.
Some of the coaches in the area (football, track, S&C) kept telling me that I should contact the new U of M S&C coach cause he’s probably the greatest new thing since green tea. They said they were going to try to implement his stuff into there program. So after I saw this DOOFUS perform his workouts and explain it to everyone, SERIOUSLY the 1st thing out of my mouth was HE CANT BE SERIOUS! So of course the U of M followers were saying I was hating cause I’m a spartan. After I explained why he’s a NUMBNUT and other prominent S&C coaches including the 1’s on this forum said the same thing, they were questioning it and then the ever so great U of M season fell apart, they were really questioning his methods. Even my football teams head coach was on the bandwagon until he decided to listen to me and figured out I was right.
Go Blue!! Too bad for the Rich Rod haters.
Can you give an example of what the complex might look like?
For what its worth Terrance Taylor (4th rounder) just got cut by the Colts.
On a serious note, its not people being Rich Rod haters cause he did well at WVU, U of M just hired the wrong coach. Especially the wrong S&C coach.
It remains to be seen whether or not he was the right coach or not. I, personally, liked to see the change from the continuation of the “fort” mentality and the apparent refusal to change.
I like many of the strategic changes with regards to the brand of football they are playing. I still say that Barwis, with all of his over the top programming and less than stellar recovery-focused template is an improvement over Gittleson. Are there better out there, most likely but I think Gittleson long underachieved and at least Barwis has brought back a level of accountability with the players that had really slipped under Lloyd.
Well said. I have not been a fan of Barwis, but he is leaps and bounds better than Gittleson. Time will tell with U of M. I still think MB could reel it in a little. I guarantee that he will start showing more overuse injuries if not. CMU and EMU follow the same idiocy and I have seen them wrecking 3 of my athletes. Too much running. EMU’s best lineman needed to have a rod put in his tibia from repetitive stress fractures. The kid I train is 6’8" and 315. He has no business running repeat 110’s. Michigan looked good against ND although I didn’t see their “Barwis effect in the 4th qtr”. I saw a great young QB with a lot of poise win a game they should have lost.