“Do it. Do it nowwwww.” - arnold schwarzenegger
Ok was browsing through here looking at the times and there are a lot of lingo going on here.
What does it all mean.
FAT = Full Automatic timeing
reaction = ???
first movement = ???
Thanks heaps,
Turkey
FAT is when you are timed via a computer. The time starts when the starter’s gun trigger is pushed and time ends when your chest crosses the finish line (recorded by a video camera). This method of timing will result in your slowest time.
Reaction time is measured in major meets. It is the time from the starter’s gun trigger movement (above) until you apply force to the starting blocks (there is a sensor in the blocks). Typical reaction times for pros are .10 to .20.
First movement generally refers to someone timing you with a stopwatch. They start the time on “first movement” meaning they start the watch whenever they see you move. This method of timing will result in the fastest time. “First movement” timing will be at least .3 to .4 faster (~.2 for runners reaction then ~.2 for the timer’s reaction) than FAT.
Just to add to the discussion of HT inaccuracy, I have two examples from today.
I always time my top athletes (high school) in their races so I don’t need to wait for official results, and because I don’t trust them. I timed a girl at 13.81 (13 year old, 7 degrees Celsius, rain, slight headwind), and the official time was 13.08.
In a very close 100m finish between two runners that people were undecided about who won - there was a 0.29 second differential on the official times.
I’ll get both actual times from frame-by-frame video analysis later.
If only the officials f-ing payed attention…ah would be nice “look Margret, they started the 100. oh shoot i am a timer…hey Timmy, 8.02!”
After reading a little bit this thread, I would like to add a little bit of more information. I’ve done different test (hand-timed times) of 30m too, starting from stop position and from 15 meters before (timing only 30m).
From the people that we were taking this test, I have some results.
Starting motionless:
Runner 1: 3.5
Runner 2: 3.7
Runner 3: 3.6
Runner 4: 3.6
Running from 15m before:
Runner 1: 2.65
Runner 2: 2.64
Runner 3: 2.68
Runner 4: 2.73
(The time was taken by more than 1 person at the same time).
And the times at the 100m:
R1: 10.59
R2: 10.67
R3: 10.63
R4: 10.93
Maybe that can be helpfull to somebody.
After reading a little bit this thread, I would like to add a little bit of more information. I’ve done different test (hand-timed times) of 30m too, starting from stop position and from 15 meters before (timing only 30m).
From the people that we were taking this test, I have some results.
Starting motionless:
Runner 1: 3.5
Runner 2: 3.7
Runner 3: 3.6
Runner 4: 3.6
Running from 15m before:
Runner 1: 2.65
Runner 2: 2.64
Runner 3: 2.68
Runner 4: 2.73
(The time was taken by more than 1 person at the same time).
And the times at the 100m:
R1: 10.59
R2: 10.67
R3: 10.63
R4: 10.93
Maybe that can be helpfull to somebody.
After reading a little bit this thread, I would like to add a little bit of more information. I’ve done different test (hand-timed times) of 30m too, starting from stop position and from 15 meters before (timing only 30m).
From the people that we were taking this test, I have some results.
Starting motionless:
Runner 1: 3.5
Runner 2: 3.7
Runner 3: 3.6
Runner 4: 3.6
Running from 15m before:
Runner 1: 2.65
Runner 2: 2.64
Runner 3: 2.68
Runner 4: 2.73
(The time was taken by more than 1 person at the same time).
And the times at the 100m:
R1: 10.59
R2: 10.67
R3: 10.63
R4: 10.93
Maybe that can be helpfull to somebody.
Are the 100m times competition FAT times? If so, this data is quite helpful. I believe the runs with 15m run in tells the story. Why is the 2.73 guy only running 10.93?
After reading a little bit this thread, I would like to add a little bit of more information. I’ve done different test (hand-timed times) of 30m too, starting from stop position and from 15 meters before (timing only 30m).
From the people that we were taking this test, I have some results.
Starting motionless:
Runner 1: 3.5
Runner 2: 3.7
Runner 3: 3.6
Runner 4: 3.6
Running from 15m before:
Runner 1: 2.65
Runner 2: 2.64
Runner 3: 2.68
Runner 4: 2.73
(The time was taken by more than 1 person at the same time).
And the times at the 100m:
R1: 10.59
R2: 10.67
R3: 10.63
R4: 10.93
Maybe that can be helpfull to somebody.
Yes, the 100m times competition are FAT.
Ehhh… the 2.73 guy (me) is a 400m runner, and my second time is 11.11, so imagine… It’s difficult to say, but in my case I have always trained better than I have run, so it can be an explanation.
Also, there are another facts that are not taken into consideration with this data. The biomechanics of some people are very different depending on the way that they start, and in my case I run technically worst using blocks, that makes me loose a lot of energy…
This is more evident on 200m:
Runner 1: 21.32
Runner 2: 21.78
Runner 3: 21.55
Runner 4: 22.15
Hope it helps.
I ran 4.46/4.61 40 meters handtimed by my 1’st move. Out of no blocks, from a low start, on asphalt, in shitty shoes. The 100 m lane is devided 0 30 - 60 - 100 m. I’m 6’2 186 lbs
ps. I don’t agree that you should add 3 sec to your handtimes as been suggested by some iknowitall’s. Shift clown who times you. 0.24 - 0.5 should be enough.
Run a race. If you are around 4.61 legitimately through 40m, you’ll be at least near 10.1, if not faster. If you ran it legitimately without spikes, probably guaranteed under 10. Doooo it.
WELCOME THE RETURN OF THE BEAST!
4.46? is that a world record?
4.61 is not fat but timed by my 1’st movement you would see. The 3’rd attempt was mere 4.75 though i seem have had really slowed down the last 5 m. So 3 attempts 4.46/4.61/4.75. The 1’st two I’ve ran the fullest. Even equaling it we have 4.6 in 40 m. I don’t know what the wind readings were lol.
I never warming up lol. But I have the opposite. With each race run I gain a bit of pain going up in the feet it becomes harder to run.
I don’t approach a coach they tend to make things bigger, more complex and more violent. It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage - to move in the opposite direction. They would start from you should squat over 200 kg, bench press 130 kg etc to add 0.1 to your timings bullshit nope? I doubt I could even bench press 200 lbs a couple of times. You name it who was it one of the greatest scientist who said - between the actual motion and imaginary motion in brain reactions is definately 100 % no differencies
hello tamfb anyway so how does your name translate?
tamfb=meast=half man half beast. hello bumer anyway so how does your name translate?
What is keeping you from running in a race then? With that kind of speed (4.46+.3 = 4.76) you would be able to do some very big things right off the bat.
Nothing I guess but the schools stadium I run in has fences on either sides of 100 m I couldn’t stop that fast lol. I will try 60 m in a month. I have 2 week vacation then the Olympics the amazing perfomances will boost the engines.
I read the fastest times run the easiest effortless. I’ve been tensing up too much now I feel that it’s easier run when it’s effortless. When I ran 30 m crossing the mark and coming off the engines I freewheeled even faster for the next 5 + meters lol. You have to find a golden middle.
I don’t know what the bumer means. A movie title I guess. Smart ehh lol?
lol can’t upload files