I normally read this forum like its my religion but I have a question I havent been able to figure out. I am freshman at UW-La Crosse and I seem to be the opposite runner I was in high school.
In high school I ran 100-11.11 FAT and only a 22.9 ht 200. I always got out really good and faded towards the finish of both races. I lifted a lot, my main lift being the squat…I was 5’7" 145 and parallelled 425lbs. Since I came to college the squat has been nearly eliminated from my work out routine…the majority is now power/hang cleans. My pr’s in college are 11.21 and 22.46…I am now nearly 160lbs. I dont seem as explosive over the first 30 meters but I finish a lot better now…but as you can see my 100 is slower and my 200 a lot quicker.
Would you guys contribute this difference in running to my different weight training or is it a difference in how am training. (I have a lot more base than in high school)
Both. From what I have heard from my man Tutskey, your program is a 400 based program with little true speed work. Much like the program over at Baylor. Perhaps you can post a few sample weeks for discussion?
Btw, you guys got some major depth and quite a few barnburners in that 4x4.
We actually are doing Tutskey’s workouts now or that is what I have been told so I dont think they are as 400 oriented now. Last couple weeks have been something like this
Monday- 4x150 18.75-18.5-18.25-18
Tuesday- 3x60-40-20 blocks
Wed-same, couple hills instead of sleds
Thurs same
Fri-same
We havent got into the speed work portion really but the same happened indoor with my 55 vs my 200 I ran 6.72 the whole season while my 200 went from 23.31 to 22.79
The workouts you have listed looks fine however it seems as though the special end. runs 200’s and 150’s are way to slow with too little rest. How fast are the 60 40 20 workouts and such done? I do not wish to rip apart coach Guthries program because of all the past and present sucess he has had and he obviously has a set plan and without me knowing it in its entirety I cannot really comment. I am just stating what I have experienced in my past 10 years of training for track and field.
It is a possibilty. However its too late in the season to be adding them now. My suggestion would be to train for a short post season (summer season) and add the squats back in and see what happens. Every individual is different. When you begin a new training program which happens to most college freshman it takes time not only to adapt but for you to see what needs to be done differently which you were doing before that made you sucessful. You then talk it over with your coach and unless he or she is on a ego trip they will usually listen since noone knows you body better than yourself and it gets straightened out.
It is funny you mentioned squats because since I have been doing them the past year they have made me slower and now that I have eliminated them totally my long jump has goen up and I have been feeling faster, running faster times and have been recovering better. That just goes to show that everyone is different.
Quik,
were you hitting squats too much, or till the last minute?
Anyway, about the original post a few comments, if I may.
There seem to me too many track sessions. Hope this doesn’t happen all year round, because you might be able to cope with it at the moment, but you have to protect your self long term, too.
Why what seems to be speed work is always performed after the speed/special endurance workouts?
And lastly, the main thing that contributes to improvements is the track programme itself; other elements, such as free weights, are complementary in my opinion. Having said that, I would worry just a bit for now for your lack of speed improvement, as this is manifested by your 100 m times. You seem to cope fine for now with the longer distances, because this is what you are mainly training for, but long term again speed reserve is of great importance.
Nope,I never squatted much till last yr. and that is when I noticed an increase in the size of my thighs and felt heavier than normal although I ddint gain more than 2-3 pounds. Squatting also creates alot of DOMS and I feel that has had a negative impact on my workouts which has had an indirect impact on my times. Not that I eliminated squatting Im running fast.
My 100 and 200 training consisted of running 400’s to get a solid foundation. The key is strength, now I know many people in this forum would disagree but squats are a must. But what many high school, college and even olympic coaches fail to teach sprinters is each leg need to develope its own strength. Single leg Squats, presses, curls are a must. That and quick twitch training plyo’s dropped my 100 time and 200 time from 10.44 and 21.2 to 10.21 FAT and 20.7 FAT. I was also weighing 228 to 230 plus working out in football then going to track practice. So when I see post claiming lifting weights hurt or hinder sprinters I just laugh cause I know for a fact weights helped me.
Bacause sprinting alone will not develope the strength you need to compete . Quik lifts weights, I bet he contributes alot of his success from it. What if Quik never lift weights would he be the sprinter he is now.Who knows? Lots of ways dont always lead to success.It will always sound strange when I have been through training many people in here say hinders ones ability in sprinting. Now I will say some sprnters have been blessed not to have to rely on weights but that is a small few.
You guys are both correct. AMG, without a doubt I would not be the athlete I am today if I had not lifted weights.
Yes, I was reffering to not squatting.
We are all saying the same thing
