RFD is specific to the activity, so no. The rate you develop force in a clean is different from sprinting. That isn’t to say there aren’t numerous positive effects of Olympic lifts, it is just that specifically training to increase 1RM in that lift is not going to carry over.
These points have been hashed over with thoughts from Charlie, No2, and others numerous times. A search would probably help you more than starting another thread.
looks good, im looking for a 315 1RM by end of february, currently at 285.
im looking to maximise my use of time in the weight room. When i go to the gym, I look to get stronger by moving bigger numbers. A lot of times, the track work was too much so the gym work isnt going to be as good of quality. But typically Im able to complete a good sprint session, then be able to do cleans, squats, RDLs, upper body work, etc. depending on the day, with good quality.
so basically my original question is looking to increase my 1RM the quickest way possible thus maximizing my gym time.
i know your point.
My track workouts though cant afford any more volume/int. on the whole lol.
This year im aiming for a 10.8 and doing a ton of speed work.
Im in the gym on sundays, wednesdays and fridays.
With sundays being heavy squats, cleans, bench, + 1 posterior chain exercise or pulling exercise
wednesdays cleans, squats, bench and some form of assistance work
fridays dynamic box squats, jump squats, overhead presses, back work
Everything is based on the CF philosophy, whatever is left from the sprint work, is spent in the gym.
I will admit, I do some curls for the biceps and tricep work for improving my bench press, but those are a very small volume in my overall training.
I don’t either after reading this. What is the intensity of each day that you’re in the weight room? You’re doing some form of power and fast twitch 3 days per week, plus sprint work? Seems like overkill. Just because you’re following the CF philosophy doesn’t mean it will work for you. I think you need to dumb it down and re work the set up.
But first,
We’ve seen the set up for the weight room, what’s the set up on the track and how do these flow together?
tues: club workout (has been mostly tempo, will become more accel. work/speed in new year now)
wed: lifting (as shown above)
thurs: rest
fri: speed on my own. Workouts I’ve used in last couple sessions on fridays have been : 6x55m , 5x FEF (30/25/15) + lifting
sat: rest
sun: speed on my own, max.V based, 5x70m or 6x flying 25m, can vary + lifting
The tuesday workout is at 7 pm - 8 30 pm so lifting after is not an option. Lifting 3x per week seems to be ideal for this time of the year, and those are the volumes I use for speed. 180-350m per session.
I don’t like this set up at all, if you want me to be honest. That doesn’t mean it’s not working for you, however, I’d be highly surprised if it were.
Have you tested out at all this season with cleans, 30m, 30m fly, or squats? Did you do any pre-season testing. You may be better off with a set up like this.
Day 1 - Acc Dev/Power
Day 2 - Tempo or ext tempo
Day 3 - Max V
Day 4 - Tempo
Day 5 - could be pre-race or Int. Tempo or something of that sort.
You could then move your weights around your training. High Int. days would be Day 1 and 3 with still time to recover for racing or testing.
I’m sure your gpp and spp is almost done and moving towards indoor comp. I will start to throw out some ideas that may assist you in some way. This is something I played around with last year with success and will probably follow something very similar this year.
Sat: 60/200 every other week/Weights (sq+bp) (Sat is the primary stimulus)
Sun-Mon: Rest (maybe some active recovery stuff on Mon).
Tue: Max V+SSE/Weights ex: 2x30+3x70 (pc+bp)
Wed: tempo 10x100+mb circuits
Thur: 2x20,30,40+1x60 submax/Weights (hc+press)
Fri: Rest
All work done Mon-Fri: is submax while focusing on tech, confidence and staying fit.
Your setup looks good but I have found most athletes have a tough time doing speed Monday following a Saturday race. Also if you are doing true max v inseason make sure it submax!!
why keep it sub max in season?
i compete indoor december - march, and in all honesty, I dont care about indoor competition.
As long as I make some progress in my 60m and 200m times, im good. Outdoor is where it’s really at for me.
As I said, I look for some progression.
When I said not caring much, it means it doesnt matter to me what place I come or if I dont have a big pb at the end of the season.