White athletes should forget the 100m?

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Its a chain reaction. One leads to the other so its not suprising. Its easier for them to tax against fellow neighbours who are just as powerless as them selves than to tax a wealthier country…

You still have not grasped the concept have you?

How old are you?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/Pages/Jul05/030705Bono.html

http://www.channel4.com/news/special-reports/special-reports-storypage.jsp?id=303
Now refute these claims by a world renouned and respected investigative journalist, and he’s Australian, not African so I am sure the contribution will be seen by you as credible…
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Pilger_John/Real_Story_War.html
http://www.johnpilger.com/page.asp?partid=124

In the Cote d’Ivoire, three G8 companies control 95 per cent of the processing and export of cocoa: the main resource. The profits of Unilever, a British company long in Africa, are a third larger than Mozambique’s GDP. One American company, Monsanto, of genetic engineering notoriety, controls 52 per cent of the maize seed in South Africa, that country’s staple food.

Blair could not give two flying faeces for the people of Africa. While he was declaiming his desire to “make poverty history”, he was secretly cutting the Government’s Africa desk officers and staff as well forcing privatisation of water supply in Ghana for the benefit of British investors.

British arms sales to Africa have passed 1 billion. One British arms client is Malawi, which pays out more on the interest on its debt than its entire health budget, despite the fact that 15 per cent of its population has HIV. Gordon Brown likes to use Malawi as example of why “we should make poverty history”, yet Malawi will not receive a penny of relief. John Pilger http://www.channel4.com/news/special-reports/special-reports-storypage.jsp?id=303

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How old am I? Wait did you answer what your background in economics is?

Pilger? are you serious? he is about the equivlant of Michael Moore. While we’re at lets get tom cruise on here to give us a psychology lesson.

How does U.S. tariffs lead to African tariffs intracontinental, could you elaborate since one leads to the other?

Your response to everything is its America’s fault, here I’ll just finish the conclusion’s we will make in this argument, America made up the moon landing in a hollywood studio, america bombed the twin towers from the inside, america attacked afghanistan in an attempt to bail out enron, america created aids to fight overpopulation, bush is also the leader of the shadow government which will take over, fema going to take over and declare martial law, i’m sure there are others.

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Well let me do a better sum up. This confirms what I have always considered. I am going to change my angle from trying to be objective and offer advice from my own subjective analysis.

It would be nice to talk about why white men have failed SO FAR, to break 10 secs and whether they will manage to run below 10 secs. But we can not because insecure men like yourself will always try and divide up human achievement as mainly exclusive to specific races.

Also, your arguement and arrogance shows how brainwashed Americans are in general if you are a typical one.
It shocks me that you actually believe that you are more intelligent than the next man by virtue of your colour or race, and so if you can not run fast then atleast you can say…

“Well I may not be able to run fast but atleast I am more intelligent…”

That is insecurity and compensation on a grand scale. Why not try worry less about who is intelligent, and try and figure out why YOU individually are not getting to your goal of running faster?

My arguement was that Black countries are economically retarded by IMF and World Bank policies that affects the poorest nations of the world. Those countries; are countries of dark skinned peoples who have been exploited for 100s of years, their economic development has been retarded by their past. They are still under control by proxy if you like…You can refute these claims but deep down I think you know its true. Its not a lack of intelligence as you proclaimed, but the doing of certain agents; in the past European nations and at present the US. African’s CAN NOT be exonerated either by their own ill judgement greed and bad decisions; and their naive trust of Western co-operations.

My advice to you is that intelligence comes in 7 and 1 different ways. It can not be fully measured and can not be used as a crutch to counter argue ethnic or racial sporting achievements. Any person who uses this arguement is at best ill judged and probably very insecure; because they need to compensate by using untruths and irrelevant arguements.

I hope that when you line up on a 100m line and you have black men to your left and right, your mind is clear psyched and ready to do damage not thinking;

“Well if these guys smoke me; atleast I can say that I am probably more intelligent than them…”

Its not going to help you and in any case there will always be blacks who are more intelligent than you AND RUNNING faster than you will ever do… Where does that leave YOU as a person? What are YOU going to now use as a compensation mechansim…Different eye colour or shoe size?

Please; common…

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Its nice you go and personally attack me like that, have you read anything I have posted in this thread? How about my first post

"I mean come on Woronin ran 10.00 over 20 years ago back when the world record I think was 9.93.

So back 20 yrs ago the difference was only .07, and now it has managed to creep up to .23, I really do not think that the makeup of the athlete has as much to do with it as the mentality that has been instilled by the culture towards stereotypes and what can and cannot be accomplished by certain people in different areas of life."

Hell I’m white, I run, and I’ll tell you what I have won and lost to every type of person and its not because of what they look like its because of how I prepared and how I ran, and how they prepared and how they ran, if it had to do with race they would give out medals based on color not times.

Yea I see where I am making excuses for white people not breaking 10 there.

And how about here with intelligences and level playing field?

"the type of intelligence talked about usually around 8 is acceptable some believe there are more than 50 others throw it all in a ball. The comparision between intelligences plays a role, who decides the scale of the different intelligences, etc.

On the other hand IMO no one has had a significant advantage in the 100m, everyone can run, a 10.0 or 9.77 is the same in all parts of the world."

So I dont see where in the hell any of your accusations are correct? Whay because I asked you what your education in economics was? Come on now, over 1/3 of my classmates and half of my professors are international and I know for damn sure I am not smarter than all of my classmates or any of my professors.

Just because I dont see your side or choose to read Pilger or believe Michael Moore, o yea I must be brain washed. Please, common, just because I think your points are weak doesnt mean you have to personally attack me, what is this, amatuer hour.

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hey all, I am new to this forum and i found this topic to be interesting. i hope i don’t create any enemies on my first post. this is my rough memory of some of the stuff i learned in anthropology last year.

there are a few things that people need to take into consideration. if you look at people like the Kenyans for example. they live in a higher climate (may be benifical) and alot of them have to chase cattle around all day, because the more cattle you have the more money you have. which means the more kids you can have. so the faster you are the more money you get and the more reproduction you do. now look at them, they have perfect bodys for long distance running. i know that long distance is not the topic, but it shows the difference between european lifestyle and African lifestyle.

another point. religous people may have a problem with this, but homo sapien sapien was first in central Africa according to gentics. from there people voyaged to different parts of the world and white people evolved when we moved to colder climates where we needed lighter skin because we got less sun. this is a fact since everyone in the world can trace their mitochondrial DNA to someone native to Africa.
and with that you have a people leaving africa and populating in a certain area in the planet which limites genetic variation compared to the people that are still populating the area that they migrated from.
proof of this is one tribe in africa has more genetic variation than the rest of the world.

just like anything that varies between individuals it is a bell curve. since African people have more genetic variation. there is a greater possibility that there will be more people on the extreme ends of the bell curve. does this mean there will never be a white genetic freak that is that extreme from the norm? no, there probably already has been someone, but never got into the sport. but there are less white people that extreme from the “normal” population.

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Interesting post. I don’t know if it is all true (I am sure parts are), but interesting nonetheless.

Quick fun trivia:
What was Woronin’s season best the year before running 10.00?

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Let me guess…like 10.50? I really have no idea.

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lol mort…
You know it.

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The trivia was intended for mere mortals, not the likes of Mort.

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Is that right? Jeez. He must’ve started eating his veggies that year. He probably worked alot on reinforcing proper biomotor patterns too.

Edit: Looking at the IAAF page here…Did he really only run for 2 seasons? What happened? Maybe he built a time machine and started reading this thread :smiley:

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Nah he ran other seasons as well, but I don’t think anything was amazing time wise. I think he won a European title in the 60m some year and made a couple outdoor finals (European level), nothing 10.00 like though. It’s hard to find any results and most of the ones I have seen are like 6.8x 60m or something like that.

EDIT: Some other interesting info people may know. The woman who won the 400m hurdles in 2004… how many races did she run in the 3 seasons prior to 2004?

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Epote and other greeks aren’t allowed to answer this one.

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I am familiar with that as well. If you take a country like Nigeria for example you have so many languages and ethnic groupings. On a gene level some tribal groups are more similar to Europeans than they are to their neighbours who live just 20 miles down the road.

I think we need to ask ourselves, what were the similarities between fast white men like Woronin, Borzov, Minnea, Wells and others?

When we look at white male sprinters, like Yepishin RUS, (for example) where is their weak nesses (acc, top speed, maintenance) in the sprint?

Did elite whie sprinters in the past train differently from todays elite athletes?

What was their body fat levels etc?

What was the percentage of weights to sprinting for example?

What was their body type?

What is their diet?

Were they dissimilar from todays elite sprinters?

Are there different effects on the body from say weights or sprinting depending on where your genes hailed from?

Is there evidence to support any differences between the way white men respond to different training modalities in comparison to black men?

What is stopping white sprinters currently running 10.20 or faster from breaking the 10 sec barrier?

Do enough talented white sprinters train in a similar manner to todays elite sprinters, for example, what was Shirvington doing in training when he had his break through?

Are talented white sprinters discouraged by their own friends and families?

The questions posed are not in any order but I hope it stimulates some thoughts on how to proceed. Some will be none starters I am sure…

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Good questions to which I don’t have the answers, hopefully others can help. If it stays on that path I’ll start following this thread again :rolleyes:

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i think people need to get away from this " we are all the same no matter what race". having to tell this to people to get them to accept eachother is pathetic. we are not all the same. for example. black people have wider noses in general to cool air before it enters the body, white people have narrower noses to warm air before it enters the lungs. black people have more melanin in there skin which gives them a darker pigment to protect them agains the sun, white people have less so their skin would be able to absorb much easier from the sun (as i mentioned in my last post).
but, if you looked at a white persons genes for example( no reason for it to be a white person) and you compared it to another white person and a black person. there is just as much possiblity for that persons genes to be closer linked to the black person than the other white person.
with that, since we are not all the same does that mean we are not equal? no. in the big picture do physical differences really matter? no.
and since these are some visible difference for evolutionary reasons. could it be possible there are some other slight differences that might make a difference in athletics? maybe.

just as i side note. i find it funny when cultures don’t want their offspring to marry outside of their culture. for example i have a greek friend and his dad will only let his kids marry Greek people “he says Greek genes are so superior”. all he is really doing is limiting the genetic variability, which gives them less likeliness to have a baby that could be a genius or have great genetic athletic ability for example.