To All the Long/Triple Jumpers

Ok guys, here’s the link to download the article. The password is cf.

http://koti.mbnet.fi/alasaja/Jonathan.zip

Happy new year!

Jumpman, thanks a lot for that piece on Edwards. That’s just what I was hoping for. You rule! :slight_smile:

awesome. thanks jumpman.

upon analysis…his training #s don’t look that great (except for his triple jumps). I don’t understand! His coach talks about needing maximum strength but his lifts (especially O lifts) aren’t that stellar (I always heard they were higher). Neither is his standing LJ. I don’t see how you can attribute his weight training and “training tests” to a 60’ jump. Can someone explain?

Hi guys!
A little off topic, but can anyone recommend some good triple jump training resources (book, sites…). I have some talented triple jumper friends that could use help since their training sucks.

Guys, how do you view the articles? When I open them they are very small, do you need to print them out?

Thanks for posting the article by the way.

Dont forget he didn’t weigh much, so his power to weight ratio would’ve been high.

r u serious??? those weight numbers are in kilograms!!!
dude squatted over 500 lbs, cleaned over 300, and benched 245, i dont know what you were expecting from a guy who only weighed around 165 lbs
lol

he does have impressive speed trials tho

The training philosophies are similar to CF’s dont u think. Less is more with the running. High intensity, max strength weight’s, 3 weeks of training followed by rest/test week, emphasis on recovery.

One difference however is that weight and sprints are alternated on a day to day basis and not seperated with a low intesity day.

Typical UK training and a huge difference vs. CF’s system, I reckon!

Happy new year all. It is different than CF. However his volumes are very low. Thursday appears to be the general day with circuits & bounds. If you wanted to break it down it appears to be 3 days intense, 1 day general, 1-2 days intense, 1 or more rest days with slight variations during comp phases. Anyway it worked for Jonathan.

There is beauty in simplicity. 112kg in the snatch, with a bodyweight of 72kg, is serious business.

Nikolusky, note that the volume is rather low, hence lower CNS stress and the possibility to spread them out through out the week – without lower intensity days in between.

Triple jump (and any other jumping event) is quite different from sprinting when it comes to creating the best possible (individual) learning situations – and that’s what counts when jump-technique plays bigger role than pure running speed. Sometimes the best situation for learning rhythm and technique differs from just being 100% physically recovered. Also, it’s not reasonable to do high-speed jumps three times a week (in contrast to sprinting).

Edited … aah Ilenny … you were faster :slight_smile:

I am not arguing with his training approach; it is obvious it has worked for him!
All I am underlying is its difference to other systems!

It would be valuable to know how much of his training actually follows a system (deductive) and how much of his training was based on feel and intuition (inductive). Meaning, how much is applicable for others to pursue?

This is a good point as I doubt his training didn’t follow a certain system.
I suppose, however, the higher the level of an athlete, the more the intuition takes the “driving seat” -along that of the coach, of course; and this is perhaps where the realisation of a certain programme becomes “just an event” and its help to others is reduced to some degree -not a certainty, but you know what I mean…

one thing i have to agree on from my own experience is that yes if the cns stress/vol are low that does mean you can get away with aeries of high intebsity days in a row. each individual is different and as long as you know when you are fatigued you can change things round

I know they’re in kilos. I could show you a bunch of guys who could do damn close to those weight #s (for example 92.5kg power snatch at a slightly under 80kg bodyweight) and not even jump 15meters (athlete’s 30m sprint times were not on par though).

Also, how did he improve his snatch by 27kg in about 6 months time? And if his strength #s correlate so highly to his triple jump performances, why did he never PR after 1995 if he was currently making such vast weightlifting gains?

I am not trying to make trouble, I just like to find ‘tests’ like Jonathan did that truly correlate to athletics performance. Do you believe that if an athlete could duplicate Jonathan’s strength feats that they could also duplicate (or come close to) his triple jump performances?

He did end up with a 150kg Clean at a bodyweight of 72-74kg. Hard to say if others lifted the same they’d jump the same. He was pretty fast.

Joe Carlos De Oliveria a former WR holder never did leg wts and jumped 17.89m. Im sure Willie Banks wasnt as strong as Jonathon & jumped 17.97m (18.20m windy). The article mentions that Jonathans program was wts based to reduce the incidence of injury to his lower limbs. It also mentions that he was advised not to pursue the TJ from an orthopaedic specialist. Coach & athlete chose to approach the event from a different angle Vs the traditional jumps programs and it worked for them. Edwards changed coaches during 1995, so dont know what he did after that.

Has produced some good performances though - Edwards, Jackson, Christie, Gunnell, Gardner, Jarrett, Regis! :slight_smile:

This is true (the pursue of the event), as I was told the same by the podiatrist working with him, who also suggested that Edwards might have problems in his future everyday life because of some of the decisions he had to make (i.e., against others’ recommendations). It might be the same person, I don’t know; his first name is Phil and he’s retired now, as I understand it. In any case, I hope this won’t materialise for Edwards.

JohnG109, I didn’t say the reverse! :slight_smile:

Sorry Nic, I wasn’t implying that, hope I didn’t cause offense :wink: , just trying to reiterate the fact of “more than one way to skin a cat”!