I have assigment to create a battery of test for evaluating basketball physical preparedness for our “Analitic & Diagnostic” course!
I have some problems developing test for assesing “special basketball endurance” or RSA (repetaed sprint ability) and I dont want to use 5x6sec bicycle test and other “laboratory” crap!
I picked numerous of test for assesing speed-strenght qualities, but I have real troubles picking one for RSA! The main reason is because the reasearch is contradictory…
I used follwoing test in baterry:
Morphological tests
Height and arm reach height
Weight, BF% and LeanBodyMass (&other stuff)
Arm span
Flexibility tests
Snatch squat (qualitative analysis)
Flexibility of hip adductors
Speed-Strenth tests
20m
T-test
20-yard agility run
Hexagon
Squat jump without arm swings
Squat jump
Counter Movement Jump
One step approach jump
Standing Long Jump
Standing Tripple Jump
Side jump from defencive stance
BBall throw from chest in seated position
Specific Endurance test
Instead of direclty measuring RSA (with time-motion analysis) I evaluated 5x6secs with bycicle and concluded it is a CRAP used by scientists! So, without time-motion analisis (in game situations) I proposed that we should test for general (aerobic) endurance via Shuttle Run test and one “lactate toleration” test: 300m yard run or suicides (x2 with 1min rest).
Altought I dont believe that bb players need lactate toleration I used suicides in this battery. My teacher have returned my work for 3 times :mad: stating that this “specific endurance” part is confusing! I dont blame him, because the research is confusing too…
I am thinking to “swallow my pride” and use 5x6secs bycicle and shuttle run test, as suggested by Stapff(2000)?
Any help would be highly appreciated! What the hell should I used to evaluate specific endurance in bball players? Thanks in advance!
Stapff, A. (2000). Protocols for the Physiological Assessment of Basketball players. In Gore, C.J. (editor) (2000). Physiological Tests for Elite Athletes. Australian Sports Commission. Human Kinetics. Champaign:IL.
Duxx
We use an “almost” 300 yard shuttle for special endurance / basketball…It’s almost 300 yards because we go from baseline to baseline (31 yards) 10x…
I’ve been using it for only 2 seasons now, so I don’t have enough data to give you the “proper” completion times. In our preseason, we work up to 3 sets of these, with 4-6 minutes rest in between sets.
Hope this helps!
Thanks for your opinions… We here uses sucides (20-25secs in duration) for 2 reps, with 1min rest in between, and then we calculate sum and difference between them… BUT…
According to time motion-analysis of basketball game (I could post references if needed), MAX duration of HI activity is 13-14sec separated by moderate activity lasting 21sec (mean values). Average duration of HI activity duration was 3-4secs!!! Also, shuffles were done with 30% of court time, from which 2/3 were HI… and based on this data, could we say that sucides or 300yard are SPECIFIC test for basketball endurance? I think NO…
I would love to develop one test, that have similar characteristics with time-motion analysis (my teacher said that I should not go too much in specificity) with simmilar shufle motions…
For example 10xT-test with 21sec rest, and from slowest/fastest time we could calculate some endurance index…
Some author stated that “aerobic development” have great correlation with RSA test, but a lot of them found small corelation with VO2max, and greater correlation with “beta m” (buffering capacity of blood and muscles)… Also, some of them conducted longitudinal study (Spencer & Bishop), one group trained at above LT in interval manner (2min work/1min rest) and another group trained below LT in continuous manner. Note that both group have same volume of training. Both groups improved VO2max and LT, but with not statistically important difference. But interval group improved “beta m” and RSA ability. The conclusion is that some other factor than VO2max is contributing to RSA… In the same time this is scientifical proof that interval training for aerobic development in team games is more appropriate than continuous…!
With all of this data, I have problem selecting and explaining RSA, because this is very “young” and unexplored field of physiology…
I will propose repeated T test, but I will include 5x6sec bicicle (and swallow my pride) and beep test for assesment of aerobic endurance…
Man, those seminar works sucs :mad:
Of course, the 300 yard shuttle test is not, in fact, specific.
I too would like to do a repeated T style test, with varying intervals of shuffling and short sprinting. There’s a number of versions that i think we could create… The problem on my end is that in reality, we don’t have the resources to do a test like that. With 20 athletes, and one coach (maybe 3 if the basketball coaches help out) it takes too long on one court to run through all of the athletes, whereas I can run 5-6+ players at a time doing a shuttle.
As usual, we see a difference in what should be done, and what can be done
duxx these tests you are currently running are fine…
maybe when you test your vertical jump also test this from a one step approach…
will give you more relevant data and combines some horizontal with the vertical force lift.
Some of your players may lack the desired strength, flexibilty, coordination and hence the capacity to produce a dynamic vertical lift.
just by using a 1 step approach you will have more accurate data on their ability to convert a horizontal approach into a vertical lift or simply a transfer of power.
I will agree on this… For this same reason I would love to find out correlation (connection) of RSA simmilar test (10xT test, or 10x15m run) with 300yard shuttles, or with suicides! If there aro no important connections, then, suicides and 300y are unnecessary.
On the other hand, I would love to see the time-motion analysis of a game for particular player (number of sprints, distance covored etc) and to find correlation of this data with RSA test (10x15m etc)! Time-motion (game) is a real test!!! Altought, data from time-motion dont necceserelly means that playery lacks RSA, but maybe he lacks game situation to apply it… Thus, time-motion result data are a complex “package” of abilities, game situations, tactics and skill… This is the biggest problem! There is no REAL test to assess RSA (as true for all other abilities) because it is always packed with something else…
I spoke with prof today, and he confused me even more…
I will write in my paper that RSA is measured (in scintifical papers) using 5x6sec bicycle test and have a correlation (and actually dont have!!) with VO2max, which I will measure indirectly via 20m shuttle run beep test! And with those two test I will evaluate RSA in basketball players!
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Thanks nanny, but one step approach is already included in the equation for the same reasons you outlined: - One step approach jump
For hexagon, check pponline (if I put correct adress)
Hi Duxx,
I watched the national men’s basketball squad training at the track before Athens. They were doing repeat 100m runs in about 20sec with turnaround 24sec recoveries. They did 2x10.
Don’t know anything about what they did on the court or in the gym.
The coach likes the 100m because the extra distance allows his players to get into a good rhythm and also hold it for a while.
The trainer said the pace, which sometimes got as fast as 17sec for some of the guards, was good specific runnin pace. I’m sure they must have done some acceleration work somewhere in their program (modified suicides?) but I didn’t witness.
KK im sure thats the conditioners track coaching background is coming out there…
duxx i would suggest keep it simple but alot depends on your time restrictions for testing.
many teams i have been involved with professional or not seem to have a thirst for testing and resulting data and want to test even when the athletes clearly are not ready for improved results.
In the end you can read into them what you want. i have always kept the testing to a minimum and specific to the needs or demands.
if they can jump have good speed and great general fitness well all you need now is people with skill and your on your way…
I have just finished damn seminar paper on battery of test for basketball! I have in process of writting this sh*t since february, 2006, and the damn proffesr returned my work for 6 times… I hope he will accept it now
Unfortunally it is on serbian, and currently I don’t have nor time nor will to translate it to english… but if someone can do it… go ahead http://download.yousendit.com/1D6802341CF9ED80
That is the way of publications, especially if you get new data along the way. My advisor usually makes me re-write more times than i would like, but it has made me a much better writer. (Besides, the new data was all i got questionned on at the conference, so i am glad it was included )
hi Duxx, I had long forgotten about this thread/post and saw this today. Yes, it is really a tempo session. I didn’t see anything that resembled top velocity or acceleration development. I am to meet up with this top hoops coach in a few days so will ask about test batteries etc if he has the time.
But some of those drills, like the Tennessee drill, are exhausting after a few reps. Then again I suppose nobody would use that as part of a test system, although they could (for a team unit).
I agree with Nanny about tests and testing. But bureaucrats want to see results. Best results are on the scoreboard, but that is not good enough for some :rolleyes:
