Some TESTING results

Other Sports Soccer
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We did a battery of test for our soccer players. Battery consisted of

30m sprint with 10m time
Zig-Zag run (4 lines of 5m length with 100deg angle)
Zig-Zag with a ball
Squat jump (without hands)
Counter movement jump (without hands)
Vertical Jump (with hands)
15 jumps (heighest reach/shortest ground contact time)
YO-YO intermittent recovery test level 1

We used photo cells and Bosco Ergo Jump Plate.

We used Z-values to evaluate the athletes according to other team players. Some of the results are the following

10m:
Average time: 1.797s
Best time: 1.679s

20m flying:(30m-10m)
Average time: 2.437s
Best time: 2.357s

30m
Average time: 4.251s
Best time: 4.097s

Zig-Zag run:
Average time: 4.734s
Best time: 4.284s

Zig-Zag with a ball:
Average time: 5.998s
Best time: 5.427s

Squat jump (without hands):
Average jump: 35.5cm (damn low)
Best jump: 42.7cm

Counter movement jump (without hands):
Average jump: 39.76cm (damn low)
Best jump: 49.0cm

Vertical Jump (with hands):
Average jump: 48.99cm (damn low)
Best jump: 56.0cm

15 jumps (heighest reach/shortest ground contact time):
Average jump: 41.37cm
Best jump: 50.4cm

Average GCT: 0.197s
Best GCT: 0.150s

YO-YO intermittent recovery test level 1:
Average distance: 2306m
Best distance: 3000m

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With all that data what’s the next step? Do you have norms to compare against?

No squatting, OLs?

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Well… I will compare the results next time we do the testing.
Also, I look at the results ditribution within at team and positions (SD, Z-values etc) and can make a evaluation is some player able to play a given position when it comes to physical requirements, etc…
Also, some usable data can be created when various test results are compared. For example, ratio between Zig-zag with and withoud ball can tell me how much is player able to control the ball and do I need to spend more time developing speed or ball control.
Same with squat jump, CMJ, vertical jump and 15jumps — they can tell me do athlete need more explisive strength or reactive strength work, etc, blah, blah, blah…

It is interesting to compare the Yo-Yo results with other team, etc, etc…

I am not so much for testing, but it can bring some usable data!

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They are still learning to squat and clean… I keep the results all the training session, thus no need for explicit testing day

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At what level are these athletes?

I ask because some of the numbers seem quite low, unless the athletes in question are young.

Other than that, nice test battery. I like the level of detail you went in to. Do you have the means to do a flying top speed test (with a longer run in), because I think such a test might be helpful.

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Athletes are quite young. The one that produced 3000m in Yo-Yo is 78’ and it is one of the oldest players on team. Others are 87’-85’. The club is renowned with a good tradiotion… played first national league, but now are in second.
I was anxious about vertical jump results, but since it was their first time to be tested on ErgoJump (and ergojump results oscilates), I think that some issues arised… We will see next time :slight_smile:
A 60m run would be also a good test, but we didn’t do it… Also, a 6x30m with 20sec rest would be also good, espceially if we compare the results with YoYo

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10m looks pretty good to me? 1.6-7 seems good.

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Duxx,

Thanks for posting the numbers, it is always fasinating to look at raw data. (Yes, i am a nerd :slight_smile: )How normal are the distrubutions? Did you run normality diagnostics before calculating the z-values? I have noticed that testing data with a small sample size has a tendancy to have a little too much kurtosis (i.e. heavy tails) to treat as a normal, usually i end up having to regularize it or use a studentized t-distrubution.

As a side note, these numbers look interesting. Have you noticed any major correlations yet? Are there any common difficiencies?

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Listen nerd :),
I can’t answer you the question cause I didn’t do statistical analysis but my proffesor did… I just got the data… He needed the athletes for a research (the sensitivity of the tests based on the level of competitors) and I needed the results…
I didn’t got the SD for the tests. Here is the table with the results. I didn’t bothered with calculating correlations between different tests… if you have time to do statistical analysis… well, be my guest :slight_smile:

Here are the z-values for YoYo test for each player

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Add 100ms to that… it is about 1.7-1.8 on average (without reaction time — athletes started on their own). Is this any good? Can someone provide their data?

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Mike Boyle says that 1.65 and under is good.

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is that for 10m or 10yds?

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10yds, sorry.

So probably not applicable.

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1.65 for 10yard with reaction time or without?

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Thanks for posting the data. I will play with it a little and get back to you :).

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I have sent you the data on e-mail

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On the 10 and 30m acceleration data only (because it relates to sprints most)…just some thoughts - more for fun and thinking about the story about the “fast” soccer pros from 1860 Muenchen…:

I don’t know if it’s fair to compare soccer players to sprinters, but if we do to see where they would fit in in terms of sprints I’d add 0.175 reaction time (for the lower level competitors, only quite experienced athletes go below that)…
So we’d get the following

--------best----avg------last
10m—1,854—1,972—2,098
30m—4,272—4,426—4,714

Now comparing very roughly to sprints…(I know it’s neither accurate nor scientifically justified - just for a joke: how would they look beside a “typical sprinter”):

If we compare the numbers for 10 and 30m to the German sprints table I once posted we could get to the following conclusions:
(very generally talking, there’s an individual factor with every single athlete…)

10m times are very good. The best could be close to the first 10m of a 10.00 100m performance, average still compares with 10.40, worst still around 11.30.
30m times are significantly worse compared to a “typical sprinter”. “Mr. best” would only be beside “the typical” 11.20 guy, average drops back to “Mr. 12.00”, last maybe even behind a 13.00s performer.
Taking in account the good first 10m, the lack of speed at already 30m they might drop even further back in the end.

“Conclusion”: So accourding to the games special reqirements (sprints up to 10, 20m) very good, not very good top speed (but if you only care for soccer: who cares?), but I would not put them on a 100m track :wink:

I know - nothing one wouldn’t expect, jm2cs :wink:

(The old stuff - German table for developing Junior Sprinters:

level::11.95:::11.60:::11.20:::10.90
reac:::0.16::::0.16::::0.15::::0.13
10:::::2.13::::2.12::::2.08::::2.01
20:::::3.31::::3.30::::3.20::::3.11
30:::::4.40::::4.38::::4.28::::4.15
40:::::5.46::::5.42::::5.37::::5.12
50:::::6.53::::6.42::::6.26::::6.07
60:::::7.60::::7.44::::7.24::::7.00
70:::::8.67::::8.46::::8.22::::7.93
80:::::9.75::::9.49::::9.21::::8.90
90::::10.84:::10.54:::10.20:::9.89
100:::11.95:::11.60:::11.20:::10.90

level::10.60:::10.20:::10.00
reac:::0.14::::0.13::::0.11
10:::::2.00::::1.94::::1.89
20:::::3.08::::2.98::::2.92
30:::::4.11::::3.92::::3.87
40:::::5.05::::4.83::::4.75
50:::::5.96::::5.73::::5.62
60:::::6.85::::6.62::::6.48
70:::::7.76::::7.50::::7.35
80:::::8.69::::8.38::::8.22
90:::::9.64::::9.28::::9.10
100:::10.60:::10.20:::10.00 )

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quark,
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AUT,
Great effort! Thanks man!
I was wondering could I use 30m time for programming a tempo run for 100m and 200m? I could also use YoYo results to plan volume and recovery time…

avg30m = 4.42s
predicted 100m = 12s
75% = 16sec

Group 1. Tempo volume greater (+10 to 20%) and recovery duration shorter (from 5 to 10sec shorter) for those athletes that are from 0.5 and above Z-value.

Group 2. Tempo volume normal and recovery duration normal for those from 0.5 to -0.5 Z-value

Group 3. Tempo volume smaller (-10 to -20%) and recovery duration greater (from 5 to 10 sec longer)

But one problem arise here… DEMANDS OF POSITION!!!
Should we condition our athletes according to their individuality or to the requirements of the position played? Or both? Then how?
Suppose we have Forward player who have better results than Midfield player in YoYo test?

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Yes I think with the average level players tempo at 16-17 secs 100m should be ok.
But I don’t know if you can plan tempo so accurate. Usually it’s not easy to get an athlete to run a 100 or 200 m tempo at exactly x seconds. You’d need a beeper…
Similar might apply to recovery. I found as a rule of thumb: the fit guys can jog back the 100, the less fit might just walk back.
Volume according to fitness level as well, as you stated…

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what kind of conditioning test do you perform with your soccer athletes?