Sleds Help Acceleration?

Expert Discussion Advanced Sprint Training
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Id rather be seen as someone that insults people and acts like a 15 year old than someone that who spreads false information, or supports those who spread it. People that know me and read what I write on here…laugh. Usually something like wow that was funny. Thats the reaction I get if your wondering. Why? Because I say things that are funny and true, and others are afraid to say. Call it no class, call it childish, I call it B’s. Either way I have never met anyone in real life that knows me on here that is not interested in talking with me. Why? Because I form my own opinions about things and I’m entertaining.
Plus I’m THE GUY.

As for Kacs post (someone I do respect) just not on this subject. Do you all get what Im saying. Mike Boyle is talking about speed - the 55m dash, topspeed, ect and he has no experience running or coaching these distances whatsoever. See the article (first two paragraphs of the article for his commentary).

Where as Charlie has run 10.3 automatic and coached world class sprinters. I said he was a terrible coach and I stand by those words. Number two summed it up perfectly. Charlie summed it up very well too. As far as I’m concerned the debate is over.

Plus I’m not huring the ratings I’m helping the ratings. Look times this thread has already been viewed, almost 2,000.

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Not trying to bust your balls here but how fast did Stephen Francis, Clyde Hart, and Dan Pfaff run? Competing at a high level in an event doesn’t make you a great coach.

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you told me to dont take advice from people over the internet who run 7.4 60m. :slight_smile:

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I think the more appropriate argument is that Mike Boyle hasn’t spent a significant amount of time working with sprint athletes who compete over 60m, 100m and 200m, so he cannot adequately speak to the subject of high performance speed work and the best way to train speed and acceleration. You don’t talk to ditch diggers and construction workers about maximum strength lifting - you talk to Olympic lifting coaches.

[i]"Mike Boyle is talking about speed - the 55m dash, topspeed, ect and he has no experience running these distances whatsoever. See the article (first two paragraphs of the article for his commentary).

Where as Charlie has run 10.3 automatic and coached world class sprinters. I said he was a terrible coach and I stand by those words. Number two summed it up perfectly. Charlie summed it up very well too. As far as I’m concerned the debate is over."[/i]

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Is this a shot at me? :stuck_out_tongue:

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No not at all. Internet coaches and forums are badd.

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To continue, I am not qualified to examine the merits of various techniques for swimming 50m. So I will not discredit swim coaches to bolster my assertions on Olympic lifting, plyometrics and med-ball throws, regardless of how much vomiting occurs after the workout.

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just to anwser it for the sake of anwsering it.

frano never ran.

hart was actually pretty fast for the pre cambrian era.

pfaff, i wouldn’t have the faintest clue.

your point still holds, obviously.

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Read Numbertwo’s last post. It is correct.

BTW I did mean working with sprinters too, sorry for the confusing. He primarily works with hs hockey players from the north/south shores, Boston area. As I have mentioned before… hockey is his main focus.

He also has done some work with the Bruins. I guess!? How many players I don’t know. However, Warnock also works with the Bruins. And has actually worked more extensively with the Bruins than Boyle has, as well as other pro teams in the area.

Make your own decisions on who is right, I have no reason to blast someone who lives in my own town. You don’t hear me blasting the other two experts that live there, lets keep that in mind.

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First of all look at this video. Then look at the ratings 2/5. Then go individually one by one over the comments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AFHZ20s2Ho

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Mike Boyle is neither a retard nor is he a very good coach of the Olympic lifts. He describes these as “very technical lifts” only because he has trouble teaching them correctly. Most of his lifters are doing something that more closely resembles a “continental” instead of a decent hang clean.

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All 3 lifters have almost identical flaws: bar kicked out and never gets in close to the body; rather it loops up and into the rack position. None of the lifters ever reach full extension before arms bend; they all heave the bar using arms, rather than popping it up explosively… also, they’re all doing way too many reps and what little form they have degrades throughout the set…

madaozeki (4 months ago) Show Hide Marked as spam 0 (Reply) (Spam)
then why have his athletes do “hang cleans” like this? it’s not difficult to teach proper technique…

madaozeki (4 months ago) Show Hide Marked as spam 0 (Reply) (Spam)
good form is easy to teach… form shown here is not good… with good form they could do a lot more weight, and far more safely… you would be even more impressed in that case I’m sure :slight_smile:

madaozeki (4 months ago) Show Hide Marked as spam 0 (Reply) (Spam)
no it’s not… double knee-bend doesn’t ever need to be taught explicitly… talk to any coach of any competitive lifter in any country…

mugen45 (6 months ago) Show Hide Marked as spam 0 (Reply) (Spam)
yea thats a lot of weight to clean jerk like that. very impressive. i gotta learn to do these
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All I’m going to say is that the first two females should watch how far they kick their feet back. If you watch their feet, they are dangerously close to not landing it when they catch the bar. I hope they don’t bail.

maxfitusa (9 months ago) Show Hide Marked as spam 0 (Reply) (Spam)
I agree that Mike Boyle has the reputation and results in Strength and conditioning, certainly I have nothing personal against him. However, Mike Boyle has made some authoritative comments on the net concerning Olympic lifts, and this video really damages the credibility of his claims (as they pertain to the olympic lifts). I am sure Boyle is the man in S&C but this video shows he is not a good coach of the classic lifts. No Oly coach would say that is good form or technique.

bluecollarguy33 (9 months ago) Show Hide Marked as spam 0 (Reply) (Spam)
thank you for your reponse, i was just reponsing to slyfan comment,that mike boyle is a retard. stating that a one of best strengh coaches in world as a retard,only display his ingorance. coach boyle one of my mentors and i take offence to that. will any video you suggust, but only you have the reputation to match.

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In addition to Charlie:

Clyde Hart was fast enough to beat Bobby Mitchell, who once held an indoor hurdles WR in addition to being a member of the NFL hall of fame.

John Smith was one of the best 400 runners in the world.

Bobby Kersee, now probably the best hurdles coach in the world, was a track star at San Pedro HS in Los Angeles and a finalist in the high hurdles in the California Junior College Championships.

Leroy Burrell, formerly coach at SMTC and now the University of Houston, is a former WR holder.

If you look up the top times in the 60 ever run, you’ll find that 12 of the top 20 times were coached by CF and JS. And I think you know how many of the top 100s.

Would you rather be coached by someone who once broke 13?

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Randall Evans, assistant coach to Graham. Ran for Addidas and had a few years in the NFL. On the all-time list for 60m,100m.

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I agree the big C word counts. credibility

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Trevor Graham: Graham was part of the silver medal winning Jamaican 4×400m team at the 1988 Summer Olympics, running in the first round and semi-final, though not the final.

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Gerard Mach, Percy Duncan. Even Curtis Frye participated in track, he threw shot. Making this list is ridiculous we could find tons of examples. Lets get back to the real argument, what do you think of the form shown in that video?

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Found one even better. Its on his website but the link wouldn’t download it for some reason.

Ok here it is…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNoKffkqZY0

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Sprint speed correlates to good coaching about as much as squat correlates to good sprint times take that as you wish.

Can we get back to the actual issue?

EXERCISE PHYSIOLOGY AND BIOMECHANICS
ORIGINAL ARTICLES
The effects of resisted sled-pulling sprint training on acceleration and maximum speed performance
Zafeiridis A., Saraslanidis P., Manou V., Ioakimidis P., Dipla K., Kellis S.

The Journal of Sport Medicine and Physical Fitness
Year 2005 - Vol. 45 - N. 03 - September - pag. 284

Aim. The purpose of the present study was to examine the effects of resisted (RS) and un-resisted (US) sprint training programs on acceleration and maximum speed performance.
Methods. Twenty-two male students (age 20.1±1.9 y, height 1.78±7 cm, and weight 73±2 kg) completed RS (n=11) or US (n=11) sprint training programs. The RS group followed a sprint-training program with 5 kg sled pulling and the US group followed a similar sprint-training program without sled pulling. The training program consisted of 4¥20 m and 4¥50 m maximal runs, and was applied 3 times/week for 8 weeks. Before and after the training programs the subjects performed a 50 m run and the running velocity of 0-10 m, 10-20 m, 20-40 m and 40-50 m was measured. In addition, stride length and stride frequency were evaluated at the 3rd stride in acceleration phase and between 42-47 m in maximum speed phase.
Results. The RS improved running velocity in the run sections 0-10 m and 0-20 m, while in US group the running velocity in all run sections in acceleration phase remained unchanged (p>0.05). In contrast, RS training had no effect on running velocity in maximum speed phase, whereas US improved running velocity in 20-40 m, 40-50 m, and 20-50 m run sections (p<0.05). Stride rate increased only after RS in acceleration phase (+7.1±2.9%; p<0.05), whereas stride length increased only after US in maximum speed phase (+5.5±2.5%; p<0.05).
Conclusion. Sprint training with 5 kg sled pulling for 8 weeks improves acceleration performance (0-20), while un-resisted sprint training improves performance in maximum speed phase (20-40) in non-elite athletes. It appears that each phase of sprint run demands a specific training approach.

Another study by lkh’s Saraslanidis

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Who is the RS group made up of. Who is the US group made up of?

So they did 4¥20 m and 4¥50 m maximal runs, and was applied 3 times/week for 8 weeks. Thats all the details of the program they give! Are these kids even athletes?

This study is weak at best.

They improved by .05. Was this hand timed though! Even the conclusion is shady in non elite athletes, as opposed to what.

The study group was 22 male students. Are they of equal speed to start out with. To many variables, too little information. How many times did they conduct this study. Just once? Probably would have been better off flipping a coin.

WOW!

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I’m not sure the conclusion is entirely accurate as the top speed phase would require a longer consolidation/recovery period after sled exposure to allow top speed to be manifest, as compared to the non-use group. Of course, if combined with a S-to-L training approach, a sled method can still allow both aspects to be covered at the appropriate time. This is covered in CFTS and elsewhere.

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There is an analysis of the above study in the NSCA’s Performance Training Journal, April 2006, which you can find here:

http://nsca-lift.org/perform/Issues/0502.pdf

The only performance improvement from the resisted sled occured in the 0-10m section, which also affected the 0-20m results. The subjects did not do any strength training (other than towing a sled) and the authors of the study attributed the results to an improvement in strength. So there may be some valid results in a study (or if you’re Kim Collins), but not necessarily for a sprinter in a periodized sprint and strength program.

There is a similiar result in Faccioni’s well-known Resisted/Assisted study. The subjects were rugby players that frequently sprinted over 0-40m, but not 40-60m. The results of the resisted (sled towing) training at 20m and 40m were negligible, and the only positive results from resisted training were at a distance that the rugby players didn’t normally train at (i.e., a conditioning effect).

Once again, I don’t see any advantage from adding sled towing to a conventional sprint training program (s-l or l-s).