Shirvo slams Aths Australia

By John Salvado and Bonny Symons-Brown

MELBOURNE, March 28 AAP - Sprint star Matt Shirvington has slammed the coaches at Athletics Australia for a lack of encouragement and assistance in the final countdown to the Beijing Olympics.

Australia is likely to be unrepresented in the men’s sprints in Beijing and there remains a great deal of uncertainty about the 4x100m relay team.

Australia will make a last-ditch attempt to secure an Olympic 4x100m qualifying time at the Osaka grand prix meet on May 10, although the make-up of that squad will not be confirmed until late April.

Shirvington has not given up all hope of running the individual 100m in Beijing, although his chances - and those of national record holder Patrick Johnson - were effectively dashed at the Olympic trials in Brisbane last month.

Both were left in the blocks in a slow race won by little-known Otis Gowa.

``We’re in limbo at the moment and we’re not getting a lot of help from Athletics Australia,’’ Shirvington, the former national record holder, told AAP.

``It’s not a financial thing, it’s an encouragement thing, we’re just sort of being left out in the cold and no-one’s giving us help.
‘’… Basically all I am really after in terms of support is my head coach to call me and say `look, we can’t help you or we can’t support you but we’ll try and get behind you if you can go and do well’.’’

Shirvington believes track and field in Australia will suffer if the nation is unrepresented in the men’s 100m and 200m at an Olympic Games for the first time since 1980.

``If we’ve got no sprinters at the games then we’ve got no kids watching them on TV and then we’ve got no inspiration and no aspiration for those young kids,’’ said Shirvington, who burst onto the international scene as a teenager in 1998, twice breaking the national 100m record and finishing fourth at the Commonwealth Games.

Shirvington, 29, said many other athletes had spoken to him regarding their concerns about a lack of feedback from the AA coaching staff.

``We just want time and we want someone to say `look we can’t help you but if you go and you back yourself and you do well we’ll be there’,’’ he said.

``We’re just not getting that.

``They’ve basically said `here’s the team, now get lost’.’’

AA high performance director Max Binnington said he had twice spoken to Shirvington about the selectors’ decision to focus on the men’s relay.

``I think his frustration is that we haven’t said to him `Matt, go out and chase an individual time and we’ll pick you’,’’ said Binnington.

But we've said that to everybody. Essentially we’ve said `we can’t see it happening’.

``The sprinters have shown nothing this season to suggest they’re in the sort of shape that warrants selection in the individual 100m in the Olympic team.

``However we do think the relay can demonstrate that it’s a chance.’’

Johnson has appealed his non-selection in the Olympic individual sprints, while the running future of the only other Australian to have met the 100m A qualifying standard, Joshua Ross, is still unclear.

In an ideal world, all three would be key members of the Australian 4x100m squad, although selectors may choose to go with a predominantly younger team including the likes of Gowa, Aaron Rouge-Serret, Matt Davies and Isaac Ntiamoah in Osaka.

AA named 25 athletes in its preliminary Olympic team on March 5, with pole vaulters Kym Howe and Paul Burgess, walker Jane Saville and distance runner Sarah Jamieson given further time to prove their fitness.

But there was no men’s 4x100m squad, even though Australia has an impressive recent history in the event, including two world championships podium finishes and a fifth placing at the Athens Olympics.

Other athletes can be added to the squad up until June 23, with the Australian Olympic Committee finalising the complete team on July 4.

Well, honestly, which sprinters are running well enough?

I just don’t see any of them running below 10.21 before Beijing.

The only one I thought would do it was Adam Miller, but what happened to him? I think it was a hamstring tear – but correct me if I’m wrong.

When is he going to retire?

Matt, will ya? Thanks.

PJ, you too.

Why should he retire? He’s only 29 for goodness sakes, spring chicken compared to some of us. :smiley: Seriously, though hasn’t he run 10.3 this year, looking horrible? With a little relaxation and encouragement, a 10.2 isn’t impossible I think.

didnt he drop from 10.60ish to 10.30ish in like 5wks? each race we went faster n faster - stuff he normally does each season he runs well - starts off real slow and winds up as the season goes forth.
i was thinking he would do a 10.2 at Nats - but damn, that race should have been pulled up.

So AA’s Max Binington has told all the male sprinters don’t worry you are not good enough to get an individual spot go for the relay…

What?

They may not be good enough for individual spots wouldn’t AA want to boys out there going for times.

Wouldn’t it be better for 4 runners racing at 10.2 speed rather than turning up to Olympics running 10.3-10.4 in the relays…

So it is now the head coaches job to be negative etc…

To me that is fundamentally wrong.

This is the kind of idiocy that drives me crazy!
Do you have any concept how much it costs in development time and effort and money to produce a world class athlete?? (What am I asking for? Of course you don’t or you wouldn’t post this!)
In a time when development costs for Olympic medals run 3 to 5 million dollars each, people don’t want to fix what they already have, they want to throw it away and start over: “Quit! will ya?”
Apparently, Australia has money to burn!

Charlie,

The question should not be how much money (and time) does it take to develop an athlete but, rather, can M.S and P.J. run fast to represent Australia at the OG decently?

Can they?

I think they can not. Has AA spent so much money on these two athletes? Yes it has. Should AA spend a little more so these two athletes can say - "we represented Australia at the OG in 2008 (even though they would not pass the heats or run faster than 10.3-10.5)? Very economical, wouldn’t we say?

If they were ready to represent Australia (decently) they would have been running their PBs BUT they are nowhere near their peaks. If they are not near their peaks (and they have not been for years not months) why would the selectors pick them for the team?

I fully support AA on this. M.S. has been performing poorly for years. Jesus, it has been almost 10 years since he peaked as a young lad. Since then, we have seen all sorts of excuses, and I do not care what these excuses were because it is irrelevant for the team selection for 2008 OG.

He is better of to retire with focus on his successful media career.

P.J. is the same case. And then we have J.R. prima donna tantrums. Jesus, Australian sprinting events face some major issues. If these guys were in the USA, not many people would have remembered them by now nor would they ever made a team!

They should consider themselves lucky they live in Australia.

For those two athletes it is eaither run fast or retire. Do not complain, girls.

Sorry but I have to disagree with you on this Charlie.

1:You work with what you have.
2:What you have is better than what you don’t have.
3:If those who’ve performed well in the past don’t now, look at every possibility, not solely at the athletes- for they are the same people.
4:If what you have still doesn’t qualify, so be it.
You can disagree all you want but it doesn’t change the basic facts of life.
5:Money talks and bullshit walks. When better sprinters come along, those who can’t adapt become extinct -but not before.
If you get it then great. If you can’t grasp the idea, I can’t help you there.

Charlie,

1:You work with what you have.

Agreed.

2:What you have is better than what you don’t have.

Agreed.

3:If those who’ve performed well in the past don’t now, look at every possibility, not solely at the athletes- for they are the same people.

Agreed but in the case of M.S. his under performing has been going on for at least last 5 years. Do you really think there will be some radical change that will contribute to M.S. form and bring his times close to 10.0 -10.1 in 5 months? That would be a miracle! It has been 9 years. It is the dusk, not dawn for this nice fellow.

4:If what you have still doesn’t qualify, so be it. You can disagree all you want but it doesn’t change the basic facts of life.

Agreed.

5:Money talks and bullshit walks. When better sprinters come along, those who can’t adapt become extinct -but not before.

I would agree but in this case there are only average sprinters in Australia, now…and in 5 months from today these will be the same average sprinters. They may be good for the local scene but for the international comps, they ain’t.

Should they be sent to the OG in August? In my opinion, one big NO. There is no time (nor fate) or money to splash on them this time around.

although not at quite the same level Chris Donaldson won the NZ 100m title yesterday about 9 weeks before his 33rd birthday and he dead heated for first last year. Many have called for him to retire for years as his PB’s of 10.17 & 20.42 are from 1998 & 1997 respectively.

Shirvo has dropped a lot recently and just might regain considerable form. it’s easier to get back to where you were than to get to where you’ve never been. You’re too young to remember Mike Larrabee, I’ll bet.
In 5 months, the relay could make remarkable progress and, with a relay, anything can happen. That’s why you always start there.
If they don’t progress, they aren’t going so nothing is lost.

What was the story with Michael Larrabee? I know he was the Olympic Champion at 400m in 1964…

Oh and also, I think PJ has been the excuses king for Australian Athletics. Perhaps there were legitimate reasons, but now at age 35 I don’t see him running fast again. Maybe I’m wrong. I hope I am! But I feel like he missed his chance in Paris 2003, when a lowly 10.07 won the title and poor PJ didn’t make it out of his quarter-final…

Shirvington has made many “mistakes” in which he has sacrificed performance for things such as family life, business (firstly, his wife’s then his own in media).

For all of that, he had one bad race during the Australian summer this year and it came at the Nationals. Has he lost the competitive edge? Not at the nationals level. He has won it five times previously; Has he lost the ability to deliver his peak? Untested, he has never failed to run his season’s best in previous years, but has been hampered for a long while by illness etc dating back to 2003/4.

But as has been written, he seemed to be finding a metre with every run until he missed the start at the Nationals. And the start has always, unfortunately, been his entire race.

Yet this year on occasion he has shown signs of actually improving his start and straightening out his finish, getting rid of that muscle-bounding action in favour of a far more stream-lined running action. But not always. Pix of him against Asafa Powell in the Melbourne GP demonstrate he tends to lapse back to his old technique under pressure.

Team sports have always brought out the best in Australians, be it the Davis Cup of tennis, America’s Cup of sailing, various football codes, and relays in the pool as well as on the track. It was relays which sporned Cathy Freeman (1990 Comm Games 4x100m gold medallist) and Melinda Gainsford (Barcelona Olympic 4x100 final) who went on to draw crowds in Australia.

So the lessons of history need to be understood by the Aussie athletics federation. The fact they will fund a men’s 4x100 relay to Japan to try to qualify for Beijing suggests that on the team issue, they are aware.

The same Federation also needs to show some loyalty to the great servants of the sport such as Shirvington if only in the expectation that he will go on to become an even greater asset to a sport which struggles for articulate and well-loved ambassadors.

I see no harm whatever in AA encouraging all athletes to keep trying and it is deeply concerning if they do not.

Most athletes are not stupid. They will discontinue the chase when they realise time is up and the deadline for this year’s Olympic athletics team selection has been published as 23 June. That’s not too long for AA to wait.

No-one says AA must fund Shirvo et al to race around the world chasing 10.21 or 10.08 or whatever they will accept as a bona fide performance worthy of Olympic nomination.

But AA is funding a bid by Shirvo etc to qualify a 4x100 relay with a race or two in Japan in May.

I suppose that AA is trying to encourage the sprinters currently at the top of the national rankings by putting them into a relay team numbering five or six.

And historically if any member of a relay strikes form before the declaration of “entries by name”, team management can still make an executive decision (without reference to their National Olympic Committee) and give that/those athlete(s) a run in the individual event.

For some reason AA doesn’t want this known, or hasn’t thought it through, or hasn’t communicated the information.

Or, more cynically - reading between the lines -certain bureaucrats at AA believe the current bunch of senior sprinters in Australia are either past it or beyond their (AA’s) control and they have taken the decision to terminate them by strangling them for funds and support of any kind.

If the last point has substance, and if it is shared by all the powermongers at AA, then that is a very ugly turn of events. Why, only a year ago, many were calling for Tamsyn Lewis to retire. Now she is a world champion of sorts. I believe, like Shirvo, she is also 29. kk

Some of your comments are misguided. Firstly from 2000-2004 Matt did run times from 10.13-10.29 at least on 12 occasions. Thats well inside your 10 year time frame. If you had access to the data on Matt this year, he has consistently gone through 0-30 in 3.91-3.95 and hits 0.87 at max vel. Thats enough speed to run 10.10 again.

You say PJ would have never made a USA team. Well in 2003 his 9.92 was the world leading time. If Matt and Patrick had based themselves in the US. They would have had access to better training methods and coaching systems. I can very confidently say, PJ had the talent to run 9.8s.

These guys can consider themselves unlucky to have stayed in Australia for so long.

Sharmer,

I have no intentions to be discussing this topic with you. Nothing personal against you, but I have read many discussions on this board where you contributed a fair share. Let’s say I did not like the dynamics of those discussions.

My opinion on Matt and P.J. is my opinion only. Nothing or no one will be able to change it, least yourself.

They have not been selected for a good reason. EOD.

On the subject of P.J. and his 9.9 run…or potential 9.8’s … oh well, I do not want to discuss that either as that topic would not be appropriate for this board.

But thank you for reading my comments and taking time to answer. Cheers.

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A brief review your posts shows a continuing berating of Matt. If you continue with such comments than maybe you should forward such criticism to him in person. As for me everyone knows who I am, I don’t need to use aloof nicknames when I critise someone. I stand behind all the comments I have made.

Thanks for taking the time to reply; Cheers :eek:

Sevastocrator wrote

I suggest taking dual citizenship with some African or Asian countries. Why not? If you can’t make it for Australian team and you want to be at the Games - go Swaziland

At the end of the day the guys wanna enjoy the OG, don’t they?

Sevastocrator wrote

Goodbye Matt.

Give the guy a break.

It seems it’s impossible to explain the facts of life to those who haven’t lived it. Selection criteria have nothing to do with who should retire or not.
If they don’t get there, they don’t go- end of story.
When someone better comes along, they get punted to the weeds.
Until then, they are the best of what you have.
I probably shouldn’t be bothered by simple-minded commentary though sniping at sprinters is usually reserved for middling distance runners who figure there’s something in it for them if other event areas fail. Of course, they’re glad for any undermining help from within the power world.