S & C Coaches Who Know Stuff All About Running

The last 4 weeks, Australian Cable Network Fox Sports has televised a program on the Wednedsay night called “Team Behind The Team”.

It is Powerade sponsored program that profiles the off field set up of selected clubs (that are sponsored by Powerade).

It looks at the coaching set up of the club including development, fitness, game planning etc.

Clubs featured so far have been St George-Illawarra (Aust Rugby League); Socceroos (Australian Soccer Team); Collingwood (Aust Rules Football) and the Waratahs (Aust Rugby Union).

Very interesting program and well worth a watch if it is ever repeated. Collingwood is the best so far with a very highly resourced coaching set up incorporating the latest in sports science and information technology.

Last night the strength and conditioning coach for the Waratahs was demonstrating a standing start for a sprint drill where they were using the gates to determine flying speed. Sadly the S&C expert had his right arm forward with his right leg. I was staggered to think this bloke was lacking fundamental knowledge such as opposite arm, opposite leg…

I gather he wouldn’t be the only one who heads up a club’s fitness division but lacks the knowledge required to get an athlete from A to B as fast as possible.

You are certainly on the ball Youngy!

I have no doubt that expert sprint/running coaches are undervalued in these environments. If they only knew what they were missing out on!!!

As an athlete and coach, the problem I see is people believe there is no skill to run or to coach an athlete to run.

Although I think a lot of AFL clubs now use sprints coaches in fact Essendon has a Sprints coach as there head man.

if i am not mistaken dont the waratahs use SAQ for their speed work?

also apart from essendon from my knowledge sprint coaches are now in control at these clubs as the strength guy.

NRL
Eels / Broncos with 4 others attending the seminars in jan here.

AFL
Bombers / Hawks / Swans.

A League
Jets / Victory

interesting the waratahs didnt want to be seen at the seminars - guess its a better look to be hanging around the bottom of the table then with Charlie…

further to that i must enlighten the aust readers to a comment by one of our national team “Gurus” who asked one of my players at the team i work with what we were doing for speed in the pre season “hill sprints he replied its going great” the guru replied “well who’s that idiot doing that since when do you run up hills in soccer”… :rolleyes:

Nanny, i have tried emailing you before, however, i think you must have changed email around the time of the Aus Semminar?? Could you PM me your current email please?

DMA wrote: Although I think a lot of AFL clubs now use sprints coaches in fact Essendon has a Sprints coach as there head man.

Yes he did coach sprinters, but from what I’ve seen he had a lot more failures than he had successes.

eg: When he was in Tasmania, most of the sprinters he introduced to the TIS were enticed from the mainland. McIntyre, Calleja, McCarthy etc. None of them fired.

He has had Lauren Hewitt off and on for several years but she has spent a lot of time broken down. Her best running was definitely under Peter Fortune circa 2000/2001. Last year there was talk of her stepping up to 400m, but she hasn’t run a quarter mile since it was made public.

Over the years he’s had some decent talent presented to him on a platter but has failed to produce anything special.

Admittedly it’s difficult juggling the fitness coaching role of an AFL club and that of an elite athlete.

So I’m not suggesting he’s a total dud, but the jury’s out on whether he can genuinely coach or he’s just a bulldust artist.

I’ve noticed he’s stepped up his profile a bit, since it was confirmed Kevin Sheedy would leave Essendon. I get the impression he’s out to impress the new coach, whoever that may be.

As for SAQ - attend a one day coaching course and you are an instant sprint guru…enough said.

Youngy, even though I’m not a top sprinter - he helped me.

Cliff Mallet was involved with Brisbane.

I think a lot of coaches (S & C) are bluff and dagger merchants, and unwilling to listen to different advice and also underwilling to give advice to others.

Where is Adam Larcom at these days?

cliff was at the lions purely for sprints only so his input i’d imagine would have been very minimal.

larcom has taken over Tim Williams who is in the 4 x 100 squad for the WC… as for sport teams i am not sure possibly the wallabies

DMA- I gather he must have helped some Tassie athletes, otherwise he would not have lasted as long as he did. But he did have a habit of enticing mainland athletes, from what I believe to the detriment of some of the local product.

I know of one Melbourne based athlete,circa 1993, who was offered significant TIS support by JQ.

Just wondering whether a TIS coach should be placing valuable (and scarce) resources into pursuading interstate athletes to defect to Tassie to join his stable.

I now recall he is also in with Kyle V Kup and Adam Basil.

DONS ARE NOT FIT.
Melbourne Herald Sun 08 August 2007
by Jon Pierik.

Former Essendon fitness guru Peter Power yesterday delivered a damning assessment of the Bomber’s conditioning department and claimed a one- dimensional Matthew LLoyd needed to lose weight.

Power who worked closely with coach Kevin Sheedy between 1981-1985 and 1988-1991, was astounded by Lloyd’s comments in yesterday’s Herald Sun.

The Bombers skipper said his team was not suited to playing at the MCG - it has won only six of 23 games there in the past three years - and had become a Telstra Dome specialist.
This prompted Power to send a stinging letter to the Herald Sun, which he was at pains to point out was not aimed at Sheedy. the highly respected John Quinn is Essendon’s current high-performance manager. “It is apparent that Essendon does not do enough hard gut-running fitness training, particularly in the pre-season sessions,” Power said.

"As a spectator, I note with sadness that unless Essendon is up by three to four goals at three-quarter time, they generally get run over in the final quarter.
"What Lloyd was quoted as saying is covering up the underlying reason - the current Essendon team is not fit enough.
“Look at the facts. How often over the last handful of years, for example, have Essendon run over the top of teams?”

Power was with Essendon during its back-to-back flags in 1984-85.

Power’s frustration boiled over when the Bombers failed to kick a goal in the final quarter of a 63-point thrashing from Hawthorn at the MCG on Sunday.
Lloyd had a dirty day kicking just two goals.

“Matthew Lloyd should lose 5-6kg of muscle, as he appears to be too top heavy,” Power said.
"He needs to get more run in his legs and, therefore, he would not be the one-dimensional player that he is - full-forward - with the occasional burst up the ground.
“James Hird has lightened up and is enjoying another great season.”

Power said Essendon teams under his guidance had “always finished strongly”.
“My job was not to be the most popular staff member at the football club because I was the one pushing them past the pain barrier,” He said.
"When I speak to former players, some claim to still have nightmares about our pre-season fitness sessions.
“The same players, however, enjoyed kicking a record ten goals in the final quarter of the 1984 premiership win over Hawthorn.”

Power acknowledged the game has changed “a great deal” since he left Essendon after the 1991 season and understood it took a week for some players to recover from their heavy workload.

Quinn fired back at Power, saying his opinion was no longer relevant.
“Saying we are losing games because we are not fit enough is a very long bow to pull,” Quinn said.
“If we are not fit enough for the MCG, then Subiaco this weekend is going to be a huge test for us.”

Quinn said statistics in the first half of the season showed the team had finished games strongly.
“The fitness of the team is high,” he said.
"I haven’t had a look at the statistics for the last three or four weeks, But I know three or four weeks ago we were the No.1 team for the last quarter.
“We had won eight or nine out of 12 last quarters.”

Yes I believe he did do somethings wrong Youngy whilst TIS head coach. I am sticking up for him, because I feel I have too, because on results based he probably doesn’t deserve it.

That was an interesting article. Last week the Sydney doctor said that AFL was an endurance based sport which I found interesting as well.

I concur that endurance is important, but to suggest that aerobic ability is the most important feature of AFL.

Well, i doubt its speed? If your not fit enough to last a game, and the game does take some time to play, then no amount of max speed will be very good after the 1st quarter.
I would liken them to maybe a 800m runner, still fast (11sec or so 100m) and also able to run a 5k at decent speed. The guys cover a lot of ground in time they play the game. Not just as a team, but individually. The call for speed endurance would play a large part too. The guys ain’t rugby players and should not train like one either.

I agree, wasn’t implying it was speed. But when you are running 10+km and running 30-40 2-4 sec sprints.