Rugby World Cup

Coaches knew of Howlett shame

All Blacks management were aware of winger Doug Howlett’s vandalism incident in London before they touched down in Christchurch yesterday.

Manager Darren Shand, fronting a media conference in Christchurch this afternoon, said he and the All Blacks coaches had learned of the incident in which Howlett vandalised two cars at Heathrow Airport’s Hilton Hotel, before boarding a connecting flight from Tokyo to New Zealand.

The knowledge of Howlett’s actions did not stop coaching staff praising the squad as fantastic role models around the world for New Zealanders. Coach Graham Henry even made special mention of their hotel behaviour.

“I’m very proud of how they conduct themselves as people,” Henry said yesterday.

"They’re marvellous role models for this country. :eek:

"A number of people have said to me what a tremendous group of young men you’ve got there … during the World Cup and previous tours.

"It’s been phenomenal. They believe they’re the best young sporting team that ever stays in their hotels, the most open and friendly and easy to get along with," Henry said.

All Blacks manager Darren Shand said no other players were involved in the vandalism of cars before Howlett was arrested by police at 3am Tuesday (London time).

Howlett was drinking at the hotel with seven team-mates and nine members of the All Blacks management group, racking up an alleged $31,000 drinks and food tab, before leaving the hotel to jump on some cars.

“The All Blacks management are extremely disappointed in this incident that has occurred,” Shand said.

“On the back of the weekend’s result, it’s extremely disappointing for us … Doug said he takes full responsibility.”

Shand said All Blacks media manager Scott Compton, who acted as the team’s manager in his absence, was among those drinking with Howlett. He also said some members of the team’s leadership were there.

None witnessed the incident, he said.

Shand added the incident stepped way behind the boundaries of acceptable behaviour for the All Blacks.

Shand said he had no knowledge of the alleged $31,000 spent on the bar tab or who paid the bill.

Howlett, due to take up a 2½-year role with Irish club Munster in January, could also face disciplinary action as his contract with the New Zealand Rugby Union does not expire until the end of this year.

“From a New Zealand rugby perspective, we are going to wait until that is completed, and police have closed down that side of the investigation, and then we will go into our own internal process on a misconduct scale and determine where we would see things,” Shand said.

Shand said options open to the NZRFU under the disciplinary sections of the contract started and counselling and worked up to a possible termination of contract.

Howlett was, according to Shand, going to “follow up with the owners of the cars to sort that side of it out”.

Britain’s Daily Telegraph has claimed that after Howlett and his teammates ran up the tab Howlett then went outside and bounced up and down on two cars, smashing the windscreen of a BMW.

One staff member, who refused to be named, told the Daily Telegraph: "There were about five to seven players drinking in the bar. They looked as if they were pretty down in the dumps after they lost and they ran up a ?12,500 bar bill over several hours.

"It wasn’t just them, it was other members of the squad as well and it included food.

"They were behaving themselves while they were in the bar, but then for some reason, a couple of them decided to go outside and that was where it all kicked off.

“I heard they were bouncing up and down on several cars parked just outside the hotel and that was when we phoned the police.”

Malcolm Stuart, NewstalkZB’s London correspondent also reported that there was a massive bar bill involved.

Howlett, who was arrested and released on bail, must report back to British police later this month and could be charged with causing criminal damage.

He is staying in Europe for two weeks and took the unusual step of issuing a video apology overnight.

He admitted in the video that he had been drinking.

Howlett, New Zealand’s record test try-scorer didn’t feature in the quarterfinal match that New Zealand lost 20-18 after being controversially dropped.

england beat the frogs 14-9!!

now I am really hoping the english are going to win the cup. everyone was saying how bad they were, a win in the final would be hilarious :smiley:

GO THE POMS/WILKO :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKm-K0UkMLM

Anyone seen this try? Habana got smoked…

Good on ya :rolleyes:

Sadly I can’t see Argentina beating SA, but then what would I know :stuck_out_tongue:

Ngwenia has some genuine speed…10"5 in zimbabwe…and looks legit…definitely secured hims elf a procontract in europe…

Eddie Jones offered him a trail at saracens directly after the South Africa USA game. Good on him.

What every Aussie was hoping wouldn’t happen

England v South Africa final. Who to go for?

It’s like dancing with your grand aunty or the ugly sister of the bride at a wedding :eek:

These certainly are factors

Never mind John, your lot can win it next time in your own back yard where inevitably the officials don’t mind All Blacks forward passes. :wink:

That was some try!
Habana is surely one of the fastest rugby players ever and a 10.5 guy smoked him.
Imagine what dwayne chambers could do.

He smoked him…out of balance…not too sure about a race between them…also consider that playing football…in the 4th quarter sometimes I do get smoked by linemen:))

Ngwenia left him for dead but:

  1. it was a stop and go tactic, caught him flat footed
  2. he is faster than habanna, habanna’s 100m pb is 11s flat. He will have a relatively quick 40 though.

what a stupid comment.

England’s success an illusion - ex-coach
RUGBY WORLD CUP

  • RugbyHeaven | Wednesday, 17 October 2007

Reuters

England’s supposed rugby resurgence is simply “plastering over cracks” in the game and systems in that country according to former coach Dick Best.

The defending champions have defied the odds and their critics to make the World Cup final against South Africa in Paris on Sunday (8am NZ time).

Best has acknowledged that remarkable achievement but fears it may also come at a cost long-term with England’s domestic game still facing serious issues that impact on the national team.

He believed England had been the “worst world champions ever” since winning the last World Cup in Australia 2003.

“We haven’t papered over the cracks, we’ve plastered over them. If we’d gone out earlier, it would have exposed lots of issues,” Best told the BBC.

"There are serious issues in the game in England that need addressing rapidly.

"Overseas players, competition structures, number of games. There’s a lot of issues at stake.

"(Reaching the final) has been marvellous to see, but I’m not sure what this has done for our club game.

"It’s been a disaster for four years. It’s been embarrassing being the worst world champions ever, now we’ve got a chance to prove everybody wrong.

“The players are being quite bloody-minded about it - it’s a case of two fingers up to every journalist - and quite rightly so.”

England have knuckled down to a conservative game, playing a 10-man approach based around the strength of their forwards and Jonny Wilkinson’s tactical approach from first five-eighths.

It’s proved successful for the World Cup as England have relied heavily on their experience and proven cup temperament. But Best believes there needs to be a major clean-out of the side immediately after the tournament.

“There’s no point in the older players being used in the Six Nations,” he said.

“That is the time when you should be moving on. We made that mistake four years ago - we should have had a clear-out and rebuilt the side.”

IRB stands behind English referee Wayne Barnes despite errors
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WELLINGTON, New Zealand - An International Rugby Board review has found English referee Wayne Barnes made mistakes during the World Cup quarter-final between New Zealand and France.

IRB referee official Paddy O’Brien, however, gave Barnes a “pass mark” Wednesday and said he did not cost the All Blacks the game.

O’Brien said a review of Barnes’ performance, and those of touch judges Jonathan Kaplan and Tony Spreadbury, found a series of mistaken calls went against the All Blacks during the match at Cardiff, in which they lost to France 20-18.

A forward pass that led to France’s winning try went unnoticed by all three officials and France committed at least two offences which could have been penalized in the last 10 minutes of the match.

A penalty would have been enough to win the match for the All Blacks, but Barnes did not award a single penalty against France in at least the last 45 minutes of the match.

Barnes’ refereeing has come under close scrutiny, particularly his performance during the last stages of the match in which the All Blacks - desperate for points - retained the ball through more than 25 consecutive phases.

An examination of that period of play by French media has shown repeated offences by the French team which went unnoticed and unpunished by match officials.

The New Zealand Rugby Union has openly criticized Barnes, describing some of his decisions as “very, very questionable” and saying his performance had a major impact on the outcome of the match.

O’Brien, a former New Zealand policeman and test referee, has consistently supported Barnes, saying while he made mistakes he could not be held responsible for the All Blacks’ defeat.

In an interview with New Zealand Radio Sport on Wednesday, O’Brien said the official review of Barnes’ performance had drawn the same conclusion.

“Wayne’s game’s been (reviewed) by all four selectors and myself, probably under more scrutiny than any other game due to the interest in it,” O’Brien said. "The result is that there were errors made.

"There was a scrum turnover not given in the first half that should have been. There was clearly the forward pass that was missed by all three officials and, at the end of the day, with Wayne being the referee he must take responsibility for that.

"There were two calls, one with a hand in the ruck and one with offside at a ruck in the last 10 minutes which the touch judge should have given him.

“We’ve certainly reviewed the touch judges’ performance and that’s been reflected in our appointments for the third-fourth playoff and the final. Both of those touch judges have missed out.”

O’Brien said he was not prepared to concede that Barnes, a 28-year-old former barrister who has been refereeing test matches for less than a year, was overawed by the quarter-final appointment.

“I think there were a lot of factors involved in New Zealand not winning that game and one of them was some issues with refereeing and touch judging and we’ve always said that but to blame him for the loss is completely wrong,” he said.

O’Brien said Barnes would be considered for appointment to matches in New Zealand, though threats had been made against him by angry All Blacks fans.

“Wayne is going to be on the international scene for some time and he will definitely be in New Zealand within the new couple of years,” he said. “Wayne … is a world-class referee and he will be appointed to any match that we think he can referee.”

Dick Best still is SA’s biggest fan. Isn’t what he says what everyone was saying after the 36-0 rout. Look where they are now! I believe that England’s players and Ashton believe they have a chance, because they believe in Johnny. It’s the World Cup Final anything can happen, SA’s youngsters could completly fold under the pressure or they could go ballistic and do amazing things, or Englands old hands could control it and set up a win. It’s the World Cup Final anything can happen!

There is no comparison and no way you can even imagine that. Would Chambers even step on the field if he knew that there is a chance that a 120kg lock forward could smash him at any time? A guy like Chambers would die if tackled on a rugby pitch, because of a too low body fat his internal organs would get crushed if a Springbok or New Zealand forward would get hold of him. See John’s earlier posts on Sebastian Chabal’s hit on Chris Masoe, then ask Chambers if he could handle that, and then invite him to take on Habana and then we can make the comparison. Rugby is not about running in a straight line there are a couple other things to recon in, its really getting up after hit after hit after hit and then outpacing your opponent.

John, whats the mood like in NZ now? Has the nation settled down yet or are the AB’s perfomance still news?

100m speed doesn’t correlate well to rugby speed - 40m speed is crucial.

Some Rugby players have some crazy 40m times. (as well as some 10.2 100m guys)

Imagine what Trindon Holiday could do. :eek: