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Three of Ireland’s heroes talk to Gerry Thornley through an unforgettable day in Irish rugby

Perfect start

A 5.30pm kick-off on a Saturday is about perfect. Not too early, not too late.

And the players like it too. No alarm clock calls, no worries about not having a good sleep the night before, no rushing, no chicken and pasta forced down the throat for breakfast, no hanging around interminably all day. For the Munster contingent, it’s long since been their established home diet on Heineken European Cup days.

As the national fitness and strength coach, Mike McGurn is never done working, and on this day he began ahead of everyone else. Because the Wasps scrumhalf Eoin Reddan was in camp as cover, McGurn took him to the Radisson Hotel gym at 9am for a workout.

By 8.45am, three players were down for breakfast. Simon Easterby, as is his norm, Marcus Horan and, more unusually, Gordon D’Arcy. A scattered affair, breakfast ran until 11.30am.

Denis Leamy had a good feeling about the day as soon as he woke up. Leamy, who roomed with Rory Best, wandered down to breakfast at 11am and described the day’s build-up as low-key and relaxed.

"Sometimes you can get the vibe of how the week is going by the way guys train. The intensity was up and the skills were up, and there wasn’t a lot of mistakes. That gives you confidence going into a big game.

“We’d all been very disappointed with how the French game went. We watched the tapes and personally I thought we were a bit sluggish and I was very disappointed with my own display. So it was a day for putting that to right, and when you work hard things are more likely to come off for you.”

Having missed the French game, Peter Stringer was especially excitable. “I roomed with poor old Wally (David Wallace) again. I didn’t do him any favours, being hyper and giddy around the place. It works well during the week but we’re kind of chalk and cheese the night before the game and the morning of a match. He prefers to be left alone whereas I’m enjoying the whole thing.”

The squad went to the nearby pitches at St Andrew’s at 1.30; lineout work for the pack, which Stringer admits contained a few blips, and ostensibly a bit of fresh air for the backs, a quick game of “walking touch”, as Shane Horgan calls it.

McGurn played “possession football with Graham Steadman, Mark Tainton, Barry O’Sullivan, Eddie’s son, Tom Steadman, Graham’s son, and Brian O’Driscoll of all people. He jumped in for a bit. But there was a significant lack of tension that day compared to the French game. I noticed that straight away.”

The squad went back to the Radisson for their pre-match meal: Chicken and pasta, pancakes, rice pudding, juices and smoothies, beans and toast.

Players drifted back to their rooms; some got strapping done; some watched the start of the Scotland-Italy game.

“Jesus, Paulie, that must be wrong,” exclaimed McGurn when seeing the score was 21-0 after eight minutes.

“No, it’s not. They scored three tries in the first six minutes” said O’Connell.

“Again, Paulie was very relaxed and I thought to myself this is a different guy from the one I spoke to before the French game two weeks previously.”

After lunch, the squad assembled for a briefing at 3.20pm before leaving for Croke Park at 3.30pm. The players were required to bring tuxedos, as they would be going from Croke Park to the Shelbourne Hotel for the post-match banquet.

“How come you’ve got your tuxes lads?” asked one or two who had forgotten.

“You can name Jerry Flannery as one of them,” laughs Stringer.

Just before they left, it began pouring rain, and Horgan was among those who wondered if this meant they wouldn’t be able to keep the ball in their hands as much as they’d planned. He was also more nervous than normal.

“There was more interest from outside rugby and more texts coming from well-wishers and people you hadn’t heard from in a while. Those things add to the nerves,” he recalls.

For this and previous generations of Irish players there used to be the short skip from the Berkeley Court to Lansdowne Road and, as the old saying about the Dublin bus service went, it would have been quicker to walk.

Going via the East Link with a police escort, McGurn noticed there was far less traffic on the journey to Croke Park than two weeks before, a 29-minute trip now taking just 17 or 18 minutes. A Saturday evening game meant supporters left cars behind and walked from pubs in town or travelled by bus or taxi.

Arriving at Croker

The earlier arrival enabled Ronan O’Gara and Paddy Wallace to get in more kicking practice. Others went for a walk around the pitch. Some stayed in the dressing-room and flicked through the match programme. Injured for the French game, Stringer had passed a fitness test on Thursday and felt good.

Photographed during the week with the injured hand in a white brace, he changed to exactly the same strapping, but in brown so as to disguise it, and even his father didn’t notice. Normally John Stringer would be worried such a sight might be too tempting a target for opponents.

Horgan likes arriving early. No rushing, and a chance to walk around the stadium. “I always give my dad a quick ring before the game and he just wishes me good luck and then I go back and get changed.”

“There was a massive roar as we walked out for the warm-up,” recounts Leamy. “I remember thinking: ‘Jesus, they’re up for this. This means something to them.’ And that gives you a buzz to get stuck into the warm-up. It was a nice feeling.”

“Our warm-up always lasts 21-and-a-half minutes without fail,” says McGurn.

“We practise our warm-up on a Thursday. It probably wasn’t as vocal as the French game, but it seemed a bit more clinical. Maybe there were fewer nerves, I don’t know.”

During it, O’Driscoll said to the players: “Boys, it’s good at the moment. Come kick-off it’s going to be ******* electric.”

There had been a near stampede about 45 minutes before kick-off when gardai relented and allowed people through security barriers, causing quite a crush. Irish rugby crowds are traditionally tardy, but virtually everyone was keen to be there for the anthems. Hence, the reception - when the players returned to the dressing-room - akin to Thomond Park.

“You only have a few minutes to throw on the pads and the headgear,” says Leamy. “You have the leaders, like Drico, Paulie and Rog, all chipping in with good stuff. Word came back into the dressing-room that the English were delayed so that delayed us, and then we decided we might stay in for a couple more minutes to leave them out there to sample the atmosphere,” recounts Leamy mischievously.

“To hear the English team applauded onto the pitch worked in our favour, because the cheer for us then was unbelievable,” says Stringer.

The anthems

Four years before, Martin Johnson’s England had been able to feed off their resentment from the pre-match dispute but he would have had nothing here to latch on to. Horgan, Leamy and Stringer are as one in choosing the reception afforded God Save the Queen as the day’s highlight.

“That was the standout for me,” says Horgan. "The impeccable silence, and the behaviour of all the fans, and how well it was respected, I thought, was a credit to the whole nation. That, in conjunction with the deafening roar.

“Very often the crowd gets into the game at the start, or after a score, but it seemed to continue the whole way through the game. In Lansdowne you’re very close to the spectators, you can almost hear what they’re saying, and I really love that about Lansdowne. Croke Park is different. It’s more of a constant, deafening din.”

A Fermanagh man, rooted in rugby league and a big GAA fan, McGurn says: “I had been to several All-Ireland finals, both football and hurling, and I had never heard Amhrán na bhFiann sung like that before.”

“I’ll never, ever forget it. The noise. I’ve never experienced anything like it,” says the 73-times-capped Stringer. “Normally when you sing the anthem you can kind of hear yourself singing it and sometimes you’re kind of embarrassed. I haven’t a note in my head, and sometimes when the camera passes in front of you, ‘Oh God, can the whole country hear me singing this?’ On this occasion the crowd seemed to drown out my own voice and I couldn’t hear myself. So you were able to give it extra holly.”

The kick-off

Jonny Wilkinson’s opening kick-off went to Leamy.

“I dropped one against France and I was disappointed with that, so I’d put in a bit of extra work on catching the ball. I had a fair idea the first one would drop on top of me so it was nice to catch that, get a feel of the ball early on and from then on I was into the game.”

Although Wilkinson would open the scoring, Horgan was encouraged by how Ireland had moved their first ball wide for O’Driscoll to kick downfield.

“There’d been a lot of talk about our slow starts and we were 3-0 down but I thought that start showed a lot of ambition and a lot of courage. We’d shown a lot of intent and that was important, I think.”

Girvan Dempsey, oozing assurance from the back, soon broke Wilkinson’s tackle for Ronan O’Gara to draw the sides level. Andy Farrell took the ball up to Gordon D’Arcy, who held him up for Leamy and David Wallace to force a turnover penalty. Leamy, pumped up, has a few words with Magnus Lund.

“It was a big moment, and every little thing helps you settle into the match,” he says. “With someone like Rog, you get territory and work the penalty. You’re nearly guaranteed that he’ll kick the points, and that’s exactly what you need.”
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O’Connell was on fire. McGurn reveals that during the preceding two weeks the lock set a couple of PBs (personal bests): "He dumbbelled a single-arm snatch at 60k, which is probably hard for the ordinary punter to fathom, but for a rugby player to snatch 60k with one arm is incredible. It’s almost up to world standards in weightlifting.

“He also set a PB in his counter-movement jump, which indicates a player’s leg-strength power. He jumped 52.8.”
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In the 10 minutes prior to O’Gara’s third penalty, O’Connell won four successive lineouts, two on each throw.

Dempsey’s try

Horgan’s influence was becoming more pronounced and the match began to turn when he dummied to Leamy’s inside run and then offloaded in the tackle for Simon Easterby’s diagonal run to the corner.

“It was just off the cuff. We’d numbered off a bit, so we worked a dummy switch and I managed to get the ball into Simon’s hands, and it was only on the video I realised that he really stuck it under his arm and went for it.”

Danny Grewcock came through on Stringer too early and was binned, with the 5ft 7in scrumhalf, some seven stone and eight lbs lighter, itching for a scrap with the 6ft 7in lock. Later that night they were sitting beside each other at the dinner and had a laugh about it.

“The lads at the table were stirring it up a small bit. Wally was sticking up for him at the table, which was payback for the way I was treating him on the morning of the game.”

His pass off the ensuing lineout maul was possibly Stringer’s worst of the match.

“Absolutely brutal,” he admits "Whatever happened, I thought there was somebody running short and I gave a rugby-league-

style pass and there was no power in it whatsoever. I don’t know how we managed to score."

“I thought we might have been playing too flat on the line,” adds Horgan, “but it was a beautiful flick by Darce, and I was just hoping the ball would come all the way out to me on the wing but Girvan was never going to pass it out,” chuckles Horgan.

“I remember Ronan saying, ‘Let’s turn the screw,’ and collectively that was the mindset,” adds Horgan. “You don’t want them to come back and score straightaway. It’s something we have been guilty of in the past.”

Back Ireland came, Wallace and Stringer forcing Joe Worsley over the English line from a big Irish scrum on the English put-in.

“They say forwards love to see the ball in front of them,” comments Horgan. “They love when they stand up from a scrum and they see the flyhalf kick the ball 40 metres. But from a back’s point of view, when you see a scrum on the opposition line and we turn over ball, that focuses the mind even more to say, ‘Look, these lads are doing their job, we have to do ours.’”

Soon Wallace, in his own inimitable fashion, rumbled over, with Donncha O’Callaghan, as is his wont, there to help.

“Wally is unbelievable,” says Stringer. “His legs are like tree trunks. He’s one of the quickest guys in the squad over 30 or 40 metres, and the knee lift makes it that more difficult to bring him down. Thankfully, I don’t have to do it too often.”

At 23-3, the Irish players fairly galloped off the pitch when Joël Jutge blew for half-time, their English counterparts trudging behind. O’Driscoll waited at the entrance to the tunnel to clap all his team-mates in.

Half-time

“There were no slaps on the back,” recalls Leamy. "The game wasn’t over but we were confident that we just had to keep running at them, stringing phases together.

“I remember feeling really, really fresh, and other guys say the same thing,” recalls Stringer. "We had another 40 minutes, not to hang on, but another 40 minutes to actually go and put more scores on them.

“Steady” Steadman, Niall O’Donovan and Eddie O’Sullivan all spoke calmly and clearly, O’Sullivan emphasising England might well have a purple patch, and the key would be how Ireland reacted, to keep playing high-tempo rugby and take the game to England.

Horgan: “We knew there was a good chance they would come back into the game, and that the best way to defend our lead was to continue playing our game. There’s a lot of experienced players in the dressing-room and luckily a lot of us are of similar mindsets. There are a lot of caps in the room, but Eddie and Drico are the main voices.”

The second half

O’Gara having immediately added another penalty, England put some width on their game to ask Ireland a few questions, leading to David Strettle’s try.

“I was slightly at fault for that,” admits Horgan. “I should have slid off and I came in when I shouldn’t have. I should have known the inside was good on the push, that Drico and Darce are really good at that. Even after the game it would have been so nice to shut them out altogether.”

The defining moment, in many ways, was Ireland’s response to the Wilkinson penalty that made it 26-13. Corry was under O’Gara’s long, hanging restart inside the English 22, and O’Connell and O’Callaghan drove him back, leading to Julian White conceding a penalty for stamping. O’Callaghan led Ireland’s tackle count with 18, a phenomenal tally for a lock.

“Once Rog kicked that penalty we had the game by the scruff of the neck,” says Leamy.

Tempo, tempo, tempo.

“As long as you have them on the back foot you can create things on the move,” explains Stringer. “You don’t have to slow things down to organise things. You get quick ball and you just go, you trust guys around you to make the right decisions and there’s enough experience in the squad for guys to play things off the cuff.”

Horgan’s try

Leamy rumbled off the base of the scrum: “We planned to target Wilkinson down that channel and make him turn in. That was going to create a bit of space for the boys out wide. I presumed they’d put it through the hands and I only saw the try on the big screen running back. A great take by Shaggy. As good as anything you’d see on a county field.”

Horgan had invoked his childhood, playing Gaelic football with Bellewstown, Duleek and St Mary’s school, and reveals he and Denis Hickie had talked about how fitting it would be to score off a crosskick.

“I have to say it was one of the tries that made me happiest. The day, the occasion and the style of it. Ronan is such a skilled player at that, he doesn’t kick it too high, he kicks it low, which makes it a lot easier to catch. When he puts it on a sixpence like that it makes my job a lot easier.”

When O’Driscoll was receiving treatment for a cut near an eye, the feeling in the huddle was that the English players were there for the taking. Ireland’s dominance of the physical collisions was one of the day’s abiding images, and McGurn takes pride in the team’s fitness and conditioning.

“That’s my job, that’s what I get paid to do and if they weren’t fit I should get the sack. I’ve always said that once they started to get a proper pre-season - which I was used to in rugby league - it was going to be a two-, three-, four-year plan. It wasn’t going to happen overnight. I would have to admit, hand on heart, we are probably as fit as some of the rugby league players I’ve worked with in the past, which is a great compliment to them.”

For all their big wins in recent years, Ireland had never put a Big Five side to the sword like this. But there had been a desire to be ruthless.

“It is a mental thing,” agrees Stringer. “Whether it’s deep down in the back of your head - ‘Oh, it’s England, we shouldn’t be beating them by this number of points.’ We’ve got to get beyond that. We’ve got to set our own standards. Play the tempo we want to play, no matter who we’re playing. Guys were enjoying defending, almost pushing each other out of the way to make tackles. There was a great sense of it being good fun, of wanting to stay out there for another 40 minutes.”

Stringer was one of the seven hauled off to allow all 22 be involved and saw his replacement, Isaac Boss, apply the coup de grâce. On the pitch Horgan walked back to halfway with David Wallace, both too tired to join in the celebrations.

“We said we’d leave it until we saw him (Boss) after the match,” laughs Horgan.

Full-time

Ireland 43 England 13. On the full-time whistle, Leamy just remembers this huge feeling of pride: “To have come away from Croke Park and not won would have been very disappointing. I think we owed it to the rugby public and to the sporting public of Ireland to come up with a big performance and do ourselves justice. And it was great that we did it against England.”

It appeared, for a moment, as if the players were considering a lap of honour, but Horgan says that was never an option: “We’ve moved beyond that as a team and hopefully we’ll do a lap of honour if we win something.”

Leamy admits, “We would have been slapping ourselves on the back too much if we’d gone on to a lap of honour.”

The contrast between the Irish dressing-room last Saturday and the previous Sunday week was something that struck Horgan.

“That’s the way sport is. It can be very, very difficult sometimes. It was just morbid two weeks ago and it was just elation two weeks later, and it’s a very fine line; just 30 seconds or a minute in the difference.”

Most of the players hopped into their tracksuits for corporate gigs, enjoyed a rushed get-together with family and friends, an escape from the hype and the frenzy, before changing into their tuxedos for the banquet.

When the team coach was driving along O’Connell Street, McGurn recalls, “It was almost as if we’d won the World Cup. The euphoria that was generated was fantastic.”

“The Shelbourne Hotel is a very Irish hotel,” says Horgan. “There’s the history of the Constitution being written there and it seems almost appropriate for the day that was in it that we ate there.”

Wilkinson, Josh Lewsey and Mike Tindall were among those at Horgan’s table: “They were very gracious, and they’re good guys as well. You know how the other people are feeling; you’ve been there, so you deal with each other in the correct manner.”

Phil Vickery spoke graciously.

“He didn’t make any excuses, and wished us all the best not just for the rest of the Six Nations but also for the World Cup,” says McGurn.

“From meeting people after the game and knowing how much it meant to them has taken it to a new level which you wouldn’t have thought possible,” observes Stringer. “Every single person was just over the moon. I remember meeting Packie Bonner at the function after the game, he was all handshakes and hugs. Seeing how much it meant to people, I’ll never forget it.”

Most of the squad headed out into the night and ended up in the same club.

A “shattered” Stringer left the majority behind at about 4am.

“A great night, a long night,” laughs Horgan.

Dublin was akin to Limerick on the night of a big Heineken European Cup match. Green jerseys everywhere. With 32,000 more tickets, it seemed everyone had been there, or had watched.

“I had a few pints with a few of the boys and got home around seven. It was a good night,” says Leamy. “I’m proud to have played at Croke Park and to have won there and to beat England on such an occasion in the manner we did.”

The following morning McGurn organised a swim in the Forty Foot. After the French game, he had taken the squad to UCD for a game of basketball, a variation on an aqua-park in Blanchardstown, or a game of indoor soccer. This was meant to be a surprise, even to the players, but O’Sullivan had let it slip in an RTÉ radio interview and it went around by word of mouth.

“When we went past Dún Laoghaire they figured it out and I got a bit of abuse,” says McGurn. “But once they jumped in they felt the better for it.”

“I can’t swim, so I wasn’t going near the place,” admits Leamy. “I just watched. It looked frightening to me anyway. It was freezing but I think it freshened up the boys a little bit.”

About 15 seconds was enough for Stringer. Follow that? Without the raw emotion and sheer towering scale of last Saturday’s occasion, without the Croker effect, without England as foes, it will be nigh impossible to repeat such a performance.

"It’ll be different. We’ve got to be professional. Scotland will be very disappointed to have been beaten by Italy and they are great party poopers, as history has shown. It would be very disappointing not to put in a very big performance and get the win.

“There’s a Triple Crown there to be won and it’s important that we go out and win.”

February 24th, 2007. It will take some topping, but this team intend topping it.

Horgan on that try

‘I have to say it was one of the tries that made me happiest. The day, the occasion and the style of it’

Stringer on that pass

‘Absolutely brutal . . . there was no power in it whatsoever. I don’t know how we managed to score’

Leamy on the finish

‘We would have been slapping ourselves on the back too much if we’d gone on to a lap of honour’


52cm?? i loled. id not be publishing that if i was an S&C coach.
60kg db snatch aint bad though. my best was 46kg the other day but it was a powersnatch and my first day doing it. i’ll get 60 if i do it for another bit.

For a world class full time pro strength and power type athlete this is fairly poor??

New Zealand’s World Cup Preparations

New Zealand’s much-publicised “reconditioning programme” is set to release a bigger, more brutal All Black team on the rest of the world, in the lead-up to the World Cup tournament in France later this year.

According to reports All Black coach Graham Henry is “excited” about the early results that has been brought about by the three-month conditioning window afforded to 22 hand-picked Test stars.

It is said that when his side assembles in early June to play France, he will have charge of what will unquestionably be the biggest, fastest, fittest All Black team ever assembled.

Or as one report stated - the other teams should be “afraid, very afraid”.

The New Zealand Herald reports that the All Blacks of 2007 will bear virtually no physical resemblance to the All Blacks of 1987, who secured New Zealand’s only World Cup success.

In fact, the All Blacks of 2007 will look radically different from the All Blacks of 2006 so dramatic have been the physical advances made by the “protected 22” in the last six weeks.

Jason Eaton has packed on eight kilograms. Mils Muliaina is five kilograms heavier than he was in December. The seams of Keven Mealamu’s shirts appear to be having a hard time holding back the advancing mass of muscle and Ali Williams, once a sapling, looks more an oak tree.

The conditioning programme still has six weeks to run and that, according to former All Black fitness coach Jim Blair, is a very long time in the life of an elite athlete.

“If you took a guy off the street and put him through the same programme as the All Blacks, he would make some improvements. But he would be starting from a much lower base so he would maybe go from being at 40 per cent of his athletic potential to say 60 per cent,” Blair told the Herald.

"But with the All Blacks, who already have been doing a lot of training, they are probably starting at 80 per cent.

"What they are doing in this conditioning programme is jumping into the final 20 per cent so the idea is that they are achieving their full potential.

“There are some physiques that no matter how much training you do, will always be skinny. But with the types of physiques the players have, they can put on muscle quite easily and they will react to strength training.”

Maybe the rest of the rugby world should be more than just concerned. Maybe they should be afraid. Very afraid. The All Blacks of 2006 were good enough to rack up nearly a half century against France in Lyon.

By September this year the potential of Henry’s All Blacks will be even greater. Joe Rokocoko and Sitiveni Sivivatu are reputedly faster. Most of the big units in the forwards are stronger and almost every man has the ability to operate on full capacity for longer.

The athletic base is in place for the All Blacks to make a quantum leap in terms of the pace and physicality with which they play the game.

“A lot of the guys are producing personal bests in terms of the weights they are lifting,” Henry told the Herald.

"The idea is that we will have bigger, faster, stronger athletes. The guys will be able to run faster and run quicker for longer and that gives us some major positives on the field.

"We are trying to produce explosive athletes and they form the foundation stone of what we are trying to do. We will try and do the things we are already doing, but hopefully, do them better. We will be doing all those things with bigger, faster athletes.

“But we are always learning and there might be opportunity for us to tweak our game here and there.”

Henry’s a dark horse, capable of some radical thinking. The tactical variations on view this year could be more than just tweaking.

Last year the All Blacks frequently posted Ali Williams and Chris Jack on the flanks. Both men were there to create the option of the cross-field offensive kick. More often than not, though, they were used to carry the ball up the touchline where they were fiendishly difficult to bring down and adept at freeing their arms to get the pass out of contact.

This year, with so many mobile and skilled forwards, we can expect to see more ploys designed to leave bigger All Blacks running at smaller opposition backs.

And we can definitely expect to see more of what we saw in Lyon where the All Blacks pulled off rugby’s version of Mohammed Ali’s Rope a Dope.

Wave after wave of French attacks were smothered by a black wall until eventually the world’s second-best side were outnumbered at the tackled ball and exposed to the All Blacks ruthless counter-attack.

As a consequence of the conditioning programme, the chances of the All Blacks getting to the breakdown first have increased. The chances of them winning the collisions at the tackled ball have increased and the chances are that in the final 10 minutes of any game it will be the All Black back row dictating the outcome.

No one stands a chance of defending turnover ball that is shipped quickly to Rokocoko, Muliaina and Sivivatu.

“The whole point of being fit is so that you can forget about it when you are playing,” says Blair. "You don’t want to be saying to yourself ‘I won’t run over there because I might not make it back again’. These guys will take enormous confidence out of being stronger and being able to run faster for longer.

"The other good thing about the conditioning group is that it will provide that little bit of a prod for the rest of the group.

"Apart from one or two guys, no one is certain of being picked and professional teams need that element of competition. Everyone will be looking over their shoulder and teams need that wee bit of fear.

“I think it will be a real eye-opener when these guys come back and play,” Blair says.

Fairly poor based on what? The guy must weigh around 115kg and be over 6’6’’.

Not alot of normative date for ‘elite sport’ but O’Connell does better than ‘fairly poor’ when you consider the resident male weightlifters at Colorado Springs (USA) average 48.2cm (they also squat 249.1kg, snatch 145.4kg & C&J 180.0kg, BW 109.3kg).

Ireland are as competitive on these type of performance tests as any other major rugby playing nation.

Carlock, J. M., S. L. Smith, et al. (2004). “The relationship between vertical jump power estimates and weightlifting ability: A field-test approach.” Journal Of Strength And Conditioning Research 18(3): 534-539.

I was thinking the same myself! 52 ain’t too bad from what I know of other internationals!

if it one of BOsco test, with hands on hips , and from stopping, is not bad at all…

afaik it was just the standard vertical jump test.

i think he weighs 110kg at 1.99m whatever that is in inches and feet.

So thats about average for rugby players (forwards)?

I wouldve thought it should’ve been an awful lot higher mainly because i had these guys on a pedestal as being amazing athletes. And they would be able to destroy anything i could do, esp something so fundamental and applicable as vertical jump

Try being tackled by a 2nd row forward. These guys are great all round athletes who have to cover a lot of ground during a game while engaging in a lot of contact situations against other heavy and powerful guys. Its a balance in training between developing power and a the neccessary endurance to complete 80 mins of rugby. The forwards have far less recovery between bouts of intensive effort so their speed and elastic strength is compromised to a certain extent, plus the nature of the sport requires them to be rather heavy in bodyweight.

Certainly there will be a lot of interest in how they play.

We’ll see shortly in the 14’s

Rugby: Deans looking at new challenge
Email this storyPrint this story 10:28AM Monday March 12, 2007

Crusaders coach Robbie Deans has confirmed for the first time that he is looking at leaving Super Rugby’s most successful franchise when he comes off contract in June.

Deans has been linked with a move to South Africa’s Stormers and up to now he has refused to comment on the speculation.

However, Deans concedes he is looking to move on from the Crusaders, with whom he has won four Super rugby titles with since taking over from Wayne Smith in 2000.

He said he will make those decisions in time and will be seeking a new challenge in the shorter term.

Australian newspaper The Daily Telegraph confirmed the Waratahs will target Deans as a successor to Ewen McKenzie if the Waratahs coach is elevated to the Wallabies job next year.

Current Wallabies coach John Connolly is expected to stand down after this year’s World Cup, however, The Telegraph also reported Deans could be on the shortlist as his replacement.

Tuqiri saga finally ends

* COMMENT
  Wayne Smith, rugby union editor
* March 12, 2007

ALL good things must come to an end. All bad things, too, hopefully.
No-one in rugby wants to lose Lote Tuqiri but it is fair to say a degree of resignation has set in that he will announce he is returning to rugby league.

It’s possible he still doesn’t know what he’s going to do, even today, Decision Day, with the deadline on the Australian Rugby Union’s contract offer set to expire at close of business.

But he certainly hasn’t raised hopes he will remain on the union side of the rugby divide by publicly berating his bosses for supposedly failing to ring him to confirm today’s deadline.

And if the spoken language is discouraging, the body language has been utterly depressing. Tuqiri lately has radiated frustration and disenchantment. Some would say “Why wouldn’t he?” as the last link in a Waratahs backline that keeps falling down on the most basic of skills.

What chance does he have of receiving the ball in space while teenage five-eighth Kurtley Beale tends to crab sideways in attack, when the inside backs cannot execute simple catch-and-pass skills under pressure?

But many of Tuqiri’s problems have been of his own making and it’s a good thing this saga finally will end today, one way or another. Enough is enough.

Whatever he might feel, Tuqiri has not been badly treated by the ARU. Even before the Wallabies embarked on their European tour last November, the ARU was talking with his manager, Les Ross. No terms were discussed, with both parties agreeing it would be better if he just concentrated on the tour.

Unfortunately, his concentration wavered at some critical moments abroad. Tuqiri missed what should have been a simple try against Italy in Rome when he dropped Mat Rogers’ crossfield bomb and then slipped over twice at Murrayfield to give the Scots two tries. He finished the tour tryless and ended 2006 with only four, his worst return in four seasons of Test rugby.

None of that was reflected in the offer the ARU made to him after his return. With third-party endorsements and $11,500-per-Test bonuses, Tuqiri stood to make around $1million a year. Given, in his busiest year in the game, 2006, he played 26 matches – 12 Tests and 14 Super 14 games – that averages out to around $38,500 per game. Factor in that he averages 15 touches a game and that works out to approximately $2500 per touch.

Many a rugby follower – and no doubt many a lesser-paid team-mate too – would argue that’s a touch too much, especially for winger struggling to be a linebreaker this season, let alone a gamebreaker.

But Tuqiri and his manager reckoned it was south of below market value and turned down the ARU, opening the door to a parade of eager, if unlikely, rugby league suitors.

Admittedly, the league clubs couldn’t offer him the world, at least not to the degree that rugby could. How often, one wonders, do the Sydney Roosters or Brisbane Broncos get ushered to the top of the kilometre-long queue waiting to see the Sistine Chapel, as the Wallabies were last November? Nor, cramped by their salary caps, could they match the obscene amounts of money rugby had laid before him.

What they could offer him was a return to a simpler life and – without wanting to invite a weary league v union debate – a simpler game. That’s not without appeal to an uncomplicated young man who wants only to get his hands on the ball and score tries.

What was the ARU to do while Tuqiri so publicly flirted with a return to his roots? Smile and swallow the embarrassment of one of its marquee players making it clear that the Wallaby jersey, a mountain of money and exotic locations still weren’t enough to wean him away from rugby league? Hardly.

Instead, having warned Team Tuqiri that its big-money bid was predicated on him not playing the two rugby codes off against each other, the ARU withdrew its offer just before Christmas.

Since then, it has been a circus. One leagues club after another has enjoyed its 15 minutes of Tuqiri-related fame. Most offers have been more mirage than meaningful but the South Sydney Rabbitohs, who know better than most the drawing power of a famous name, have gone the distance. And maybe one or two others.

In time rugby came back to the table, with a still substantial but lesser offer. Tuqiri saw this as an insult, the ARU as a commercial reality. Rugby wanted exclusivity and had been prepared to pay for it. Tuqiri wanted to play the field. So the new ARU offer reflected the new reality.

What’s more, the ARU finally got around to doing what it should have done at the start and imposed a deadline. When the Bulldogs did the same in their negotiations with Sonny Bill Williams, they were praised for their tactical nous.

When the ARU belatedly followed, it was accused of pressuring Tuqiri – fully five months after first sitting down with his manager.

Tuqiri then lambasted the ARU for failing to call him to confirm today’s deadline, apparently not having received the voice message ARU negotiator Pat Wilson left on his phone last Wednesday. Nor apparently did it come to his notice that Wilson contacted Ross the next day by phone and email.

Even so, Tuqiri’s public lecture on good manners might have carried more weight had not Sharks coach Ricky Stuart written in his weekend newspaper column that the Waratahs winger stood him up last week, going surfing rather than meeting to discuss Cronulla’s offer.

This is what happens when negotiations drag on too long. It all becomes picky and petty. Hopefully that all will end today, whatever the outcome. But don’t bet on it. If Tuqiri decides to go to league, how long will it be, one wonders, before the first call goes up for rugby to scrub him from its World Cup plans?

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21363616-32102,00.html

If they make it there :cool: how did I know this would happen? :rolleyes:

ABs - bigger, faster, fitter … fragile

Wednesday March 14, 2007
By Wynne Gray

Two All Blacks broke down yesterday in their return to match rugby after a seven-week programme to make them fitter, faster and stronger for the World Cup.

Star fullback Mils Muliaina broke a bone in his left foot while wing Joe Rokocoko strained his ankle in a “friendly” between the Blues and Chiefs development squads.

Twenty-two All Blacks took part in the development programme.

The injury means Muliaina is unlikely to play a part in the rest of the Super 14 with the Chiefs.

He will see a specialist today to determine whether surgery is necessary on his broken fifth metatarsal - the bone connecting the ankle to the toe.

This could force All Black coach Graham Henry to consider Muliaina for test rugby in June without the experienced defender having played a top game all season.

Orthopaedic fracture and sports surgeon Dr Bruce Twaddle said that with minimum invasive surgery Muliaina could be out of action for about “four to six weeks”.

“It could be anywhere up to 12 weeks but that would be very unlikely,” he said.

“It depends on the fracture pattern and displacement. It’s really difficult to say not having seen the x-rays.”

Metatarsal injuries are not unusual in sport. England soccer captain David Beckham broke one before the 2002 World Cup, and soccer star Wayne Rooney broke his fourth metatarsal six weeks out from last year’s World Cup.

The injuries came as jarring notes for the All Blacks who resumed contact work this week. They have been in intensive gym training and were expected to return fitter, stronger and bulkier for the World Cup in France starting in September.

But the All Black coaching staff have warned fans that the returning players may take a while to get match-hardened again.

A disconsolate Muliaina said he hurt his foot in an innocuous incident when he tried to change direction in the game at the Unitec ground in Auckland.

He thought the injury might be similar to one he sustained some time ago on his right foot, a problem which required surgery to insert a pin into the bone.

There was no indication when Rokocoko, 23, a veteran of 39 tests, would be available for the Blues.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10428708

This is the problem taking guys out of the field and putting them in the gym for long periods at a time.

do ya think? :rolleyes:

Ok then here’s a few questions

Was the reconditioning programme the right approach?

Was it too long?

Is it too early to judge?

What may have been a better way?

I think it will work out ok, they have done it in plenty of time for a rebound, the WC isn’t for 6-7 months yet anway.

4-5 months for Muliaina from the looks of it :cool:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/4/story.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10428668

these injuries happen, i dont think the extra conditioning necessarily caused them. Look at pal o connell last weekend. He broke a thumb and is out for a good while.

Id love if the ABs did a fly on the wall type documentary that followed their prep for the WC. And specifically focused on the training. Thatd be sooo cool! I wonder what type of numbers would you see?
Any 200kg+ benchers? i doubt it. Probably a fair few 200kg+ squatters. Maybe a 130kg clean?
John any insights?

From an irish POV so far as i know the best bench is prob about 150kg. Steven Keogh current leinster flanker did 165kg when at munster. Stringer has done ~ 120kg
I do know that a lot of them dont use full ROM when they bench, the cause of a fair few shoulder problems possibly?

Steven ferris is supposed to be able to shift a lot of weight but i dont know any figures. None of the pack has done over 130kg clean so i doubt any of them can do much over 200kg squat.

I know none of these matter but i love to hear numbers anyway

No idea

2 chances of that happening

little and none! The ABs are pretty secretive about how they train (as they should be).

There was a programme on TV here a few years ago (mid 90’s?) called The Coach which was fly on the wall of one of the NPC teams North Harbour. The coach was AB legend Buck Shelford and there was quite a fuss about his way of ‘motivating’ the players :eek:

Rotorua - thats supposed to be some place! Ive mates there at the moment and they’re loving the adventure sports. I’ll be there next october hopefully!! all i have to do now is save like a mofo and swing 3 months off work off my boss. No problem