What other type of therapy was done? I had prolotherapy on my hamstring it was completely healed. My question is what other type of therapy besides prolotherapy has documented proof of tissue regrowth. Wouldn’t you rather have a good massage therapist instead of ART?
I am skeptical because I had ART done by Clemon’s guru in Dedham, Ma and he made my injuries worse. He actually gave me new an injury (reoccuring pain in the foot). The way he had my ankle and foot, I have never been in that much pain? Although it might be that Clemson was hyping up someone that wasn’t that good…but in his guru’s office they had all types of top level athletes. No names like Brady but there were some good guys. After the session I was worse than before!!! Im not knocking it, Im just wondering. Did you do anything else as well?
Any form of therapy can be good or bad depending on who’s doing it. In our case, we may do acupuncture, ART, massage, EMS, ROM work (depending on the stage of the injury), etc.
Personally I can attest to the benefits of ART, I had a nagging quad strain all through camp that I couldn’t shake. Massage helped but didn’t fix the problem. One visit to my ART specialist and the problem was gone for good. I have referred others and the results have been nothing less than remarkable.
Good point - especially with regard to contact in team sport.
I think many hamstring injuries are over-diagnosed too. In many cases they are muscle spasms rather than true tears.
And don’t get me started on MRI’s. An MRI generally shows the blood site and location immediately after injury and to me in many cases they just tell you less than you already know.
MRI or high resolution Ultra Sound are very good at pinpointing the exact location of the injury when there is a deficit, which is important if the site is to be injected with Traumeel to speed healing.
I can understand your skepticism when it comes to ART, but its true for any type of therapy. If there terrible youre not gonna get any benefit. It is possible that the ART was able to correct your injury, but your body had tried to correct for that injury or imbalance by creating another one allowing you to run. And once that was corrected it opened you up to exasterbate the other one. The body is so connected that when one part is injured, it can be effected by another or even effecting another body part. I have found this to be true for a lot of therapists they focus on the injury rather than on what is causing it and what its effecting. And this lack causes new or reinjuries
ART is remarkably relative to the therapist- and to his work ethic. there are too many guys out there who can “name that tune in one note”. They “diagnose” a single spot and treat just that spot- and send you on your way after lightening your wallet. The entire chain must be treated to get anywhere, not just the hams.
yeah i have lots of physios taht done what you just described charlie, pisses me off. Nobody takes a holistc approach when it comes to these type of things.
I always use the example of my girlfriend who is training to be a RMT (registered massage therapist). Her program is 2 and a half years and goes so indepth as to know neurology, every, tendon ligament, muscle and much more. And they are taught several massage techniques. This just is the surface of what they have to do. While in the states, the program is 6 months. Talk about a knowledge difference. Just because they have the intials beside there name, doest mean they know what there doing.
It takes more then one bad session for me to write it off. I agree with the concept of it. Unfortunately, I don’t have any more injuries to see if it works. At the time I remember I was going to see a guy in Georgia that worked on some of the Atlanta Falcons players. He wanted me to stay down there for a week, and unfortunately at the time I did not have enough money. I decided to come home for a while and get treatment in Boston.
From what I know with massage…Im pretty sure it was the therapist. Having ART done isn’t supposed to make you feel like you want to cry is it? Since, Clemon was involved, who knows, maybe he did it on purpose. I have heard stranger things.
All I know is the way my ankle was twisted, after he had already said to me you have probably had at least three sprains (where he came up with that number I have no idea), was pretty strange. After that session I had shooting pain up my toe that didnt’ go away until I fixed it along with the other injury he was supposed to heal.
What I should have done was went to see Charlies guy. Next time I will. Hopefully, I’ll get injured again and see if it works.
Your judgment is really off base in this thread. You got one treatment (even the best guys in the world require more than a single one hour session to get significant, lasting results) that doesn’t seem to have even been actual ART. I imagine you tried to get insurance to cover this (since most insurance will cover chiro appts), so the guy did mostly chiro work on you vs ART or a mixed approach. More consistent soft tissue therapy, perhaps mixed with chiro work, would probably yield significantly different results, though there is a much bigger financial cost obviously.
One ART session might do alot- but only if the treatment is global. I can’t imagine the hams feeling fully better if you don’t treat the hip flexors as well.
It can do a lot no doubt–many forum members who have used a certain doctor located in PA have had this experience, but the therapy sessions were typically 90-120mins and therapy is not restricted to just the injury site nor is it restricted to ART.
Davan you obviously didnt read my first sentence in my previous post that says I wasnt writing it off, then you go on some rant that could have been avoided by reading my posts fully.
Here is the guy who did it. As you can see his resume is top of the line. Then again, I have seen many massage therapists with impressive resumes and they don’t a clue of what they are doing. I guess I have learned one thing from all this, that a great resume is not enough, you have to have hands on experience with the therapist first to make a proper evaluation.
I don’t see any rant. I am trying to explain to you why you didn’t see results from this “ART” session. You got one session of something that wasn’t ART. Even if it was, I would expect more than one session to get best results in most circumstances.
You knocked something in two posts that you didn’t even receive nor do you know what it is (if ART is a soft tissue therapy, so how would that involve ankle adjustments?).
