Power vs max strength training - Shaun Pickering

[scarface]

I agree with you. As a matter of fact, I alluded to maintenance and training variety as two of the primary reasons to continue strength training.

Having said that, elite athletes that don’t use much weight training (i.e. King Carl) have use plyo’s to maintain/develop power and for training variety. And of course, accumulation/recovery periods also help break up sprinting plateaus.

[THEONE]

@Charlie_Francis

The One:
I’m not suggesting that you should work “further to the right” with weights. In fact, even though you may continue to strive for the marginal gains still available with weights,…

In pursuit of these marginal gains, would you say no gains in body weight should be allowed for?
Thanks

[chris30]

Do you think an argument can be made for cycling left and right on the curve throughout different phases through some sort of semi-defined interval?

For example I was plateauing on squats and deads and decided to move into maintainence work on those lifts and really hit speed/plyos with more intensity. (Left side of the curve)

3 weeks later I went back to heavy deads and heavy squats after the plyos started to feel a little stale (I initially made great gains and then they plateaued) and had a significant PB in both squat and DL. It was more instinctive than set out in stone but it certainly made a difference for me.

I know this is gone over in CFTS but I was curious as to your experiences

Thoughts?
Chris

[David_W]

You were most likely overtraining on your strength lifts…

[chris30]

Deadlifts were once every ten days or so. Squats were twice a week. One heavy day (doubles and triples) one lighter more explosive day.

It didn’t feel like I was overtraining.

I just felt increasing the intensity of plyos helped in the application of force for these lifts?

I am not sure on the terminology.

I just felt more explosive and coordinated after the switch. I am sure recovery and supercompensation played a role but I think the plyos helped a great deal as well.

[pete]

@xlr8

One other point that seems to be missing from this disucssion is the practical matter of training variety. Not variety for variety’s sake but the fact that any training modaliaty will plateau after a certain number of sessions. For example, EMS requires short training cycles because gains start to plateau after about 2 weeks.

Training exclusively at the left side of the curve will eventually plateau and a new training modaility will need to be focused on for a while to provide the foundation for new advancements. So even if the strength gains from working on the right are marginal, they provide a relatively high level of organism stimulus and set the stage for more intensification when work focus moves back to the left.

Great post

[THEONE]

@David_W

:mad: Yes, sprinters produce more power on the track than they typically do in the gym. However, you are not training to develop power in the gym you’re training to develop maximum force. If you increase maximum force you then have the potential to increase maximum power.

Since there is not an inverse relationship between eccentric force development and velocity, would it be fair to say that forces developed on the track can exceed that developed in the weightroom.

[Charlie_Francis]

@THEONE

Since there is not an inverse relationship between eccentric force development and velocity, would it be fair to say that forces developed on the track can exceed that developed in the weightroom.

I’ve always felt that way. Though it’s easy to feel, it’s hard to prove!

[THEONE]

@Charlie_Francis

I’ve always felt that way. Though it’s easy to feel, it’s hard to proove!

Thanks for the reply.