No, those are not the only lifting days. At Oregon they would do a neural session similar to what Dan uses with his t&f athletes on Friday - light snatch or jump squat, and throws etc.
Who’s running the S&C, a Radcliffe protege? I’m assuming Radcliffe stayed at Oregon since he’s been there through 4 or whatever coaching changes.
A brief overview of Radcliffe’s FB training:
My setup with the Ithlete costs only $90. The bioforce unit will cost $200-$280. I do know that with the Bioforce unit that it takes a 2min 30sec measurement vs. with the Ithlete it only takes a 60sec measurement. From what I’ve read on other message boards, people have compared the accuracy of the two units and they give very similar readings, some see no difference in data. The information in general will be different between the two units, the Ithlete recommends you taking a standing measurement (which you don’t have to) while the Bioforce recommends you take a lying measurement. I can tell that the Bioforce gives you a lot more information on how to interpret your data probably because you’re paying a lot more for the unit.
The Ithlete is based in the UK and the Bioforce unit is based in the US. Joel Jamieson, the Bioforce guy is a strength coach for many professional athletes/teams and if I’m not mistaken has spent some time with Charlie from what he told me at a conference this year. That’s about all I know and I chose the Ithlete because it was 1/3rd of the price.
I know originally Joel used some of his experience with Omegawave to add thresholds to identify parasympathetic overtraining. I believe version 2 of ithlete added this feature, so I think at present there is very little different between the two in terms of measurement. ithlete has some extra options to add sleep scores. Bioforce has just been updated and now includes a web based dashboard to display data and weekly/monthly load averages.
Also, the Bioforce package includes Joel’s book on HRV which I’ve heard is very good. I bought the ithlete receiver and Bioforce app when ithlete didn’t have the parasympathetic features.
Which one would you recommend?
I refuse to give up my free blackberry for an iphone - both of these products requires the damn iphone. :rolleyes:
Like I said, there’s very little difference between the two. I’d recommend both. I’ve used Bioforce for a while and a couple of my athletes use ithlete. I’m a bit biased towards Joel’s stuff because I think the information he puts out is excellent. And there’s a lot of scope for additional functionality in the web based dashboard. There’s no denying that the entry price point is a lot higher however.
There’s Android versions of both if you aren’t an Apple fan.
Breaking point is I have a blackberry - won’t work with the BB. No issues with the prices at all.
Your best bet would be to get an Itouch or Ipad and you’re set. You can get an Itouch 2nd generation for under $50 and still download the Ithlete or Bioforce app, etc.
Def not an ipad already have Microsoft surface - ill look into a Itouch.
I found this:
Bioforce is similar to Ithlete, but with some advancements in predictive readings, such as the ability to distinguish between stress-caused HRV increases and recovery-caused HRV increases.
It runs off the same basic template as Ithlete, but with several differences such as a 2:30 measurement period instead of one minute, and warnings to prevent erroneous measurements.
I am curious to know more about stress caused HRV increases vs recovery-caused HRV increases. From where I live, during allergy season alone can cause a 10-20pt reduction in my HRV readings when the pollen scale rise to its highest levels yet I still feel fine physically from day to day and train normally. This could be the deal breaker between the two.
I have used the Ithlete at different times during the day (before bed and upon waking) and the numbers usually vary + or - 2pts. I’d suspect that the 2:30 measurement would be more accurate. You thinking about going with the Bioforce?
Both - whoever contact me first.
This relates to what I wrote earlier about differences between previous versions of the apps. From the start, Bioforce had the ability to flag significant relative increases in HRV as parasympathetic over training and would give an amber or red warning. In version 1 of ithlete this did not happen and the same data would have a green indicator as if everything was ok. Ithlete version 2 included this feature and so the information you quoted is no longer accurate (except the length of the measurement period).
What did you ask them? Let us know what they say.
Thanks… Leaning towards Ithlete while saving over $200 American dollars.
JJ never spent any time with Charlie.
I guess people struggle to determine what state of recovery they are in?
Athlete’s and coaches want a tangible test to remove doubt and or encourage them to train or take it easy?
The combination of these two facts make following the Heart rate v interesting for most.
What about all the non testable facts that guide the majority of my own training and also training others?
How you feel?
What you are sleeping is like?
Appetite?
Desire to train?
Thirst?
Digestion?
Does anyone rely on this as well or do you strictly want to see data and numbers?
And then what do you do when you get the numbers?
Works for me. Every time, one or more of the above are off for me…I am always in a poor state. It took me a long time to listen to it, especially with no coach.
Hey Ange
All of those things do work. I have the Bioforce HRV. What I like about it is that if some of the things are off that you mentioned, it will show up in the numbers. If I don’t get good quality sleep or there is extra stress with family, my numbers will always be off. The other thing I like about bioforce vs. ithlete is that the bioforce program will also give a readiness scale, so you have an idea of exactly how hard you can push that day. Of course, things may change during the workout. I don’t think HRV is necessary for everyone, but I do think it is a good product to help people test their readiness. It should not supersede any of the things you mentioned, but should be used in conjunction with them.