I’ll give it a shot. My buddy does 300’s and I was going to jump in to see how that felt.
Does wonders for increasing your strength.
Maybe your stamina…your toughness, work capacity or whatever…but the “strength” a la Hart is a misnomer.
If you say so…
Ok man…ask Charlie or Pfaff, they’d agree with you for sure.
I don’t care what you call it, the method works more then pure S2L. There are many coaches/athletes on this forum following a pure S2L and there athletes suck ,mainly because they don’t have Charlie skills.
No one questions the success…just the terms… strength is max lift,throws, max acceleration…
Works more?depend on the athlete…I had one athlete who digged himself into a hole using L to S, repeat 300 and so, and got very fast, constant and motivated ina s to l…others do the opposite…Individualization is the key…
On average, the faster the athlete, the better he responds to StL…just my experience with my athletes and the many coaches I personally know or I’m in contact with.
If I should marry a philosophy I’d say a concurrent one, but again sometimes is just a matter of giving a meaning to a word.
Typical italian training ( see my thread of some years ago), can hardly be classified Lto S, and not for sure StoL…however, it is something I no longer use, and despite national federation pressure, half of the ideal European Championships relay team is " converted" to a Sto L philosophy (in my book, both concurrent)
You can use tempo 300 in both setups.
I guess athletes such as, Powell, Gay, Bolt, and Rodgers aren’t fast enough to count towards L2S. BTW, most coaches who use L2S do a poor job setting up the overall program - poor lifting, god loads of intensive tempo, and usually no short speed work.
Here we go again with defining things: according to Charlie, Bolt and Powell are StL…according to me concurrent, according to you LtoS:)
I don’t understand what’s the big deal, if someone does short speed work from day 1 - why is it S2L?
What would you say the problem is with their pure S2L programs?
Warm up
2x20m accels
3x250m
Man, that last 250 is always brutal. Went 29.9, 29.7 then 31s. I dont think I hit the first one hard enough and then push a little harder with less in the tank on the second. Understandable given I’ve got to get through all three. At max I’d say I could run a 29.4-5. My goal is to hit 28.9s before I chop the distance down to 230m.
3x10 squats @ 245
4x12 weighted hip thrust @ 135
3x10 Bench
I’m curious to hear this answer as well.
HaHa, you already know the problems that most athletes have following a pure S2L without a good coach on site.
There are some common problems and mistakes that people seem to make when trying to do pure S-L and some of those I’ve made myself (including but not limited to poor fitness, limited running volume in upright positions and suboptimal technique). I was just curious to hear your take on where people go wrong to see how it compared with my views and if maybe you had thought of or noticed things that I missed.
No problem, I wasn’t trying to be an ass. I’ll post my thoughts when I get home.
below avg fitness and suboptimal technique are problems I definitely have.
Problems I have with the S2L program: Before I get started I would like everyone to know that I am not bashing the S2L program because the past few years it has worked well for myself and other athletes that I know.
1: Unless you are getting very good therapy, you will get injured at some point. My thinking behind this is from the long periods of speed/high intensity elements – it takes a toll on the body over time.
2: As a lower level sprinter I think it’s important to get more upright running into the program. Most lower level athletes who follow pure S2L program are great 30m sprinters but suck the last 30m of the 100 or can’t run decent 200’s.
3: Lack of fitness, unless you live in warm weather it’s impossible to perform the necessary amount of tempo work to develop proper general fitness. I like treadmill and bike workouts but nothing beats running!!!
4: I think if you are working with lower level or NCAA sprinters it’s very difficult to prepare them for a college season on a pure S2L program. Even if you look at NCAA programs who follow something similar to a S2L there’s still plenty of longer work into the program from day 1.
5: If you don’t have a coach like Charlie Francis on site, I think your results will suffer big time. When doing speed change and finishing drills it’s important to have a good coach on site, otherwise I think the athlete could be wasting time (technical aspects) and probably should be using Int tempo/CSW.
6: Going back to the general fitness theme, I think most lower level sprinters would benefit more by following a L2S or MVP style of training there first 3-4 years then going towards S2L later in there post collegiate careers.
7: Last let’s not over think this, look at most of the success sprinters at the NCAA level (D1-NAIA) are they doing S2L?? NO… We all want to copy the elite athletes maybe we should take a page from successful D3 or NAIA programs – they are the smart one’s because they are doing more with a lot less (talent, funding, facilities etc).
Just named a few, I probably have 3-5 more to add to the list.
You going L2S there RB?
CF would call it S2L, but it’s more L2S.