Yup. I didnt understand how some of what was in those guys was there. It was in complete contrast to a guy I worked on for instance that had just retired from the NFL. His tissue was great and needed no real deep friction etc. He said that when in the NFL, the guys that worked on the athletes didnt care what you felt as long as they got everything out of your muscles for the game next sunday. The athlete had little to say because he got paid to much to not be able to perform next week. that was interesting to me.