How to run the 400m?

Ok, I read all the 400m threads on the old forum and they all pretty much talk about how to train for the 400m. But how should you actually run the 400m’s?
From what I have found there are many different ways to run it. Some are:

  1. Go out fast for the 1st 200m then hold on for the last (Ex. if target was 50sec 400m, then you go out 1st 200m in 24sec and 26sec in the last 200m)

  2. Go out slow for the 1st 200m then kick it up for the last 200m (Ex. if target was 50sec 400m, then go out 1st 200m in 26sec and 24sec in the last 200m)

  3. Even pace through out the whole race
    (Ex if target was a 50sec 400m, then run both 200m’s in 25sec)

  4. (clyde harts race plan from a post on the old forum)

  1. He should try on the first 50m Top speed to reach.
  2. Starting from this point it should ease the torso, while the legs work further fast.
  3. The thoughts should be thereby into the rhythm of running to find and a feeling for the match to get.
  4. It must remember starting from the 200m marking again to add.
  5. Starting from this point the arm employment and the knee stroke should become stronger.

My question is what race plan is better, or what are the best race plans?

I wont pretend to know everything, but would it be easier going slower to fast in the 400m? To me it seems that if you went fast (90-100%max speed) at the start that lactic would build up alot faster than starting out at a slower pace, than trying to kick it up twords the end.

Obviously I’m confused :frowning: , any help would be great, thanks.

If you watch the race of curent WR by Michael Johnson and Florence Griffith-Joyner, you’ll notice that they were just leading the pack after the bend, and they flew away, passing the line was an extravagant margin. Flo-Jo called herself the 200m as a tactic event. She was a very good bender, and if she had tried to run as fast as possible in the first 100, she would have been at least 2-3 meters ahead, but she wanted to save energy for the straight.

Very interesting and helpful, thank you all. And my next questions is the same as Alex’s about the 200m :smiley:

Interesting.

How would you reccomend the 200 be ran? From your last post it seems that most sprinters probably force it in vain on the curve, trying to get speed that cannot be attained, and wasting valuable energy in the process.

Great post Kitkat!

In the hundred when one reaccelerates after they’ve left top speed is there a slight forward lean? I guess you wouldn’t try to do it, but my coach was telling me that after I stand upright fully I start leaning a bit and thought this was a technical flaw. Is it?

Originally posted by Charlie Francis
In this event they are often shocked to discover that they’ve passed through the 200m on the way to a 400m at or near their 200m PB while feeling extremely easy.

Bud Winters (coach of Tommie Smith & Lee Evans) once said “95% is faster than all-out”

I was told by a training partner that Darren Clarke hated 400m - that probably tells you how they are run.

But what Kit Kat said is what I have been told or fairly similar.

People can get a “hammy” from stressing over semantics, but I would say in a 400m there is energy to make two significant “moves” during a race.

The first should be from the blocks: Sprint like a 200m runner for the first 50m. The purpose will be to establish the rhythm of your race and to get into the “lift” posture by 50m to establish the most biomechnically efficient posture. If you don’t have those two things in place by 50m, you keep trying. If you still don’t have those in place by 70m, you’ve probably blown the race already.

Once you’ve estblished the rhythm and mechanics, you go on auto-pilot and go through your personal check-list trying to correct any technical glitches (arm range, shoulder hunching) and trying to minimise tension which restricts movement range, speed and fuel efficiency.

Go through your 200m at 1sec or at best 0.8sec slower than your current best time for a one-off 200m race. That will allow you sufficient “cushion” to finish the race.

The second “move” or “acceleration”, or “kick” may be dictated by wind conditions or circumstances of your opponents or by your physical and mental strength on the day.

The second “move” usually comes around the waterjump, but may start anywhere down the backstraight or as late as the last moments of the bend entering the home-straight.

For fuel efficiency reasons primarily the second move should be like turning up the dial on a light dimmer, rather than like suddenly flicking a switch. Make it smooth, deliberate and powerful because that’s the move which will win or lose the race for you.

Arms are important throughout the race, but fast hands with a fairly full range of movement will yield best results, especially during the two “big moves” referred to.

The usual drop-off from the first 200m to the second 200m in the race is just under 2sec for a well conditioned 400m runner but for a bumped-up 200m sprinter just having a crack over 400m it can blow to 3.5sec. That’s a painful way to do it, but can still produce the occasional fast 400m.

No-one increases their speed over the last 200m as a whole. Not even Michael Johnson.

Most top 400m performers surge through the 3rd 100m - their critical second “move”.

But if you’re too far behind at the end of the first 200m and you’re up against top class 400m specialists, it’s going to be very difficult to walk your opponents down in the home straight.

That’s why the best option is to establish momentum early - within the first 70m and preferably by 50m and then concentrate on carrying your momentum through the race until you decide where to make the second “move”.

The effectiveness of the second “move” will largely be determined by the efficiency of the first.

If you work too hard through the first 200m, you will find your 300m time is good but your last 100m will be ugly and painful.

The race starts around the 300m, so you better be feeling fresh and you better be already in the medals frame at that stage.

The second “move” won’t last very long. It’s just a chance to re-accelerate, stave off the deceleration.

It’s important that during the whole race you hold a fast but “relaxed” rhythm. It’s that rhythm which will bring you home over the last 80m or so of the 400m race.

If you lean forward (whole-body, not from the waist) on the corners you can use them to accelerate a bit without spending any extra fuel.

This is important, especially when transitting from the backstraight into the bend. Runners who jam on the brakes, or drop their left hip coming out of or into a corner are signing up for major efficiency problems.

You may also want to “keep forward” during the last 80m, when some athletes tend to rock back onto their heels due to fatigue which slows them even more.

Then again…you could ignore everything and just go out and race a few 400m. You’ll quickly figure out how to survive them. Or maybe not.

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7/29/2002 : 9:14:04 AM 

I’d be careful of worrying about breathing patterns in the 400m.
As for the backstraight, the emphasis must be on maintaining a relaxed stride without rstriding(a natural, but mistaken tendency when you’re trying to save energy). At about 170 to 180m it is important to re-emphasize the arms or the athlete is likely to “sit” and slow down during the critical 200 to 300m segment (where so many races are lost).

I thought it may be of some help.

Here’s the typical answer to your question, the one I see most frequently.

  1. FIrst 50- Accelerate out to about 90% of top speed and hold it there. Don’t be lazy off the start, try to be efficient.

  2. 50-200: Hold the speed that you attained at 50 meters. Don’t try to accelerate, don’t slow down, just relax.

  3. 200-300: A lot of people say this is where you should be “working the corner”. Make a conscious effort to accelerate here, to set you up for a strong finish.

  4. Final stretch: Relaxation and matenance of form are critical at this stage. You probably will be hurting a lot, but focus is key.

I have never actually ran a competitive 400, all the stuff I wrote above is what I have heard from others. I would like to here what Charlie and others have to say on this.

By the way, I don’t think it’s more efficient to try to maintain a mathematically even race pace. Nobody at the elite level does, and if they tried to it would slow them down. I don’t know what hte normal drop off is.

1-2 seconds sound about right?

It’s been discussed that during the 400, runners go through the 200m about .8 slower than their 200m PB. The problem is that many runners execute the 200m in the wrong way (fighting the turn and dying down the straight). In this event they are often shocked to discover that they’ve passed through the 200m on the way to a 400m at or near their 200m PB while feeling extremely easy.

There’s no rule for which pace is the best to run 400m.

That depends on your abilities, and unless you have the same abilities as Michael Johnson, you don’t have to run the same way!

Through the years, very different athletes with different sizes and tactics dominated the event, and it’s not efficient to imitate the technique of current World’s best, as you will find someday an other sprinter who will run faster with different tactics.

Anyway, from the stats we have, the second half is slower than first. That’s the way it is for all top-class 400m runners. IMO trying to run all the 100m section at even pace is a fantasy, that won’t save enough energy for the last straight…

I red a very interesting study about 53-56sec female 400m Hurdlers and tactics in the major championships 1978-1989, and it was shown that a fast starts usually led to personal bests, but the winner of the race had usually a more carefull start!
This paradox was verified in lots of finals since then.

A starting point for this discussion:

http://www.brianmac.demon.co.uk/

enter ‘400m pace’ in the search function and enter ‘400m pace’ page.

IMO, differing relative strengths of various athletes may render such a prescriptive model misleading…

Welcome back KitKat1 (forget your old password???). Great Insights.

Like alot of things in life maybe the 400m event is like the Matrix - “you have to experience it for yourself”

Thanks kitkat, and I couldnt agree more that you have to experience it for yourself :slight_smile:

is it fair to say that someone with high knee lift and full arm motion, ala carl lewis etc, wastes a lot of energy during a 400m race?

cuz in training, running with my natural knees and arms, as i would in a 100 or 200, im quickly exhausted in the muscular sense, whereas other runners that rely more on a faster cadence, kicking their butt more like cathy freeman, tend to be able to cruise away from me

correct/incorrect?

Originally posted by DWatling
is it fair to say that someone with high knee lift and full arm motion, ala carl lewis etc, wastes a lot of energy during a 400m race?

cuz in training, running with my natural knees and arms, as i would in a 100 or 200, im quickly exhausted in the muscular sense, whereas other runners that rely more on a faster cadence, kicking their butt more like cathy freeman, tend to be able to cruise away from me

correct/incorrect?

Cathy Freeman, a fast cadence?? There is a difference between the technique used to run a 100m and that used to run 400m. 400m sprinters touch down further ahead of BDC than 100m sprinters, this is a matter of economizing their energy. With that said, let the race (distance, speed) dictate your form.

Originally posted by DWatling
is it fair to say that someone with high knee lift and full arm motion, ala carl lewis etc, wastes a lot of energy during a 400m race?

cuz in training, running with my natural knees and arms, as i would in a 100 or 200, im quickly exhausted in the muscular sense, whereas other runners that rely more on a faster cadence, kicking their butt more like cathy freeman, tend to be able to cruise away from me

correct/incorrect?


Depends on the qualities of the individual.

Marie-Jo Perec, Bryzgina, Kocembova, Steve Lewis, Quincy Watts, Danny Everett, (anyone remember) Wayne Collett…just a few of the more recent 400m sprinters with quite a high stepping, full arm range of movement. But they were so strong, so fit, so mentally tough they could support their “extravagant” action throughout the entire race.

I think it’s pretty clear that John Smith is the finest 400m coach in history and whether by coincidence or design - and he leaves nothing to chance - all his 400m champions have a high-stepping full range action not dissimilar to Carl Lewis (just not as quick).

But at the end of the day it’s the quality of contact with the track which should dictate everything else. If it’s a relaxed, fast and efficient contact it would be a brave (or perhaps foolish) coach who would mess with such an action.

Cathy Freeman’s action is a case in point. You might not coach someone to run like that, but that’s what she brought to the track and it’s been bloody effective for her.

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Exactly, that depends on individual morphologies and qualities.

Alberto Juantorena and Michael Johnson dominated the 400m in their respective areas with strides between 2m70 and 2m30…
Same in the women side, Marita Koch 2m15 and Marie-Jo Pérec 2m50…

And if we look at their split times in the last straight, Juantorena and Pérec had relatively faster finish than small striders Johnson and Koch…