Honest Opinion Please (What would you do?)

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u wanna see bad coaching, check this out for a shorter sprinter during conference week:

mon
bugee overspeed

tue:
2x200 fast

wed:
55-45-35-25

thur:
2xblk starts
2x60 90%

fri: results suck

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mon
bugee overspeed

tue:
2x200 fast

wed:
55-45-35-25

thur:
2xblk starts
2x60 90%

fri: results suck

What Chib is going thru is actually worse.

I am talking more as a Master athlete than a coach: why would you want to waste some of the most important years of your athlete carreer to follow a really crappy program and to stay in a team when what you do is an individual sport where you prime at around 25-27 years of age?

It makes no sense.

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The social part in sports is a very big factor. So I think you should stay in the team, but make your own program. You can do the warmup with them and talk to them during rest between sets. Then do their cooldown.

Do you like the team members a lot? If not, you could consider joining another team.

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That will never happen. Do you think the coach is even going to let him train on the track at the same time, let alone be on the same team??

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Do you have a place to train during winter months indoor if your on your own? Thats usually a big factor on performance. Also I imagine Philly should have a decent amount of meets you can compete in but in a lot of areas this is a major concern especially depending on how far your willing to travel.

Also why the 11.2 cutoff? What were you running last year during your first meet?

I don’t know running highschool and college races or relays that actually meant something for the team has been the best part of my college experience. 4x1’s were great and there were no individual pb’s in this, just team you know.

Having teams screaming if and against you at times. See how many people you have cheering for you on your own. Individual meets are some of the loneliest times you’ll have.

And you better know you have a way to do better, because that coach that you had probably won’t by pleased if you want on the track or on the team in the future.

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Isn’t the whole idea of training to be as good as you can be?
Why would you waste some of the best and athletically fruitful years of your whole life doing a crap programme? working your butt off for what?

And guys - athletics is an individual sport, if you can’t handle that go play a team sport.

Surely you can still use your uni facilities and if your times good enough won;t you get in the team automatically?? That’s the way it works at my uni.

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I wish that was the case everywhere, but it really isn’t.

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I think thats probably the exception rather than the rule. And if your quitting to go on your own I wouldn’t see your coach pulling for you to be able to use the facilities, especially indoor facilities.

Outdoor is usually open to everyone, but in Philly your not going to have great training conditions for a few months.

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I can’t believe coaches actually have a say as to who can use facilities - that seems very strange to me… in the UK if your part of the uni and/or payed your fees you can use the facilities. Who the hell owns the facilities? the coach? does everyone that uses the facilities have to be with that coach? can you only use the weights room if your following that specific coaches programme? Man, that’s an unfair system.

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It’s because in the U.S., there is usually a student facility and a separate athletes one paid for by athletics for athletics.

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Depending on the place, it wouldn’t really be the coach controlling it. Example, some division 1 schools have separate facilities for their varsity athletes–no memberships or anything like that. If you aren’t a varsity athlete, you won’t get in.

I know of far more places though that just have it so you cannot run while they are using the facility.

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At temple the track is open for everyone as long as you aren’t practicing at the time the team uses the track.

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Chib
First finish what you started; that is finish the season off. You knew what was waiting for you at Temple when you stepped out there in the beginning of the season .( J.drummonds friend had already warned you and probably other tracksters)
Work hard to accomplish the goals you had set for yourself even if you have to work on your own BEFORE your formal practice session with the team.( if not running then hit the weights)
Once the season is over evaluate throughout the summer if you want to come back or not.
Let just say if you are not doing the type of workouts that you feel can make you the best you can be you will be frustrated about not reaching the level you feel you could have if you were doing whats best for you.

MIKE NIKE

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First of track is not a team sport. Those who see it as so and run track just to be with a team are those who aren’t serious and likely will not succeed in the sport. Although I think that you should quit, it is also important to consider that from now to the end of outdoor (May or June if your good enough) you likely won’t go to any meets if you quit. What I suggest is do some serious work prior to the meet like you said. If your time is excellent you can clown in practice and do a reasonable workout on your own later in the day.
WORKOUT SUGGESTIONS
(for 2 weeks)
Mon - 10-40m blocks
4-6* 150m @95-100% full rest
Tue - 3-4lap stride jog after a mile warmup
Wed - 3* 150 @ 95-100% full rest
2* 150@ 85-90% full rest
Thu - Tempo same as tue
Fri - same as Mon
Sat - Tempo same as tue
Sun - rest

(last week prior to meet) Drop the Weights
Mon - 10-40m blocks
3150 @100% full rest
Tue - Tempo
Wed - 3150m @100% full rest
2*250m @90-95% full rest
Thu - Tempo
Fri - light jog and stretch
Sat - meet

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First off, you don’t know what events this individual has competed in, what they choose to compete in, what their goals are, what constraints they have. Never seen them run. Don’t know how long they have been training or their training background. But can give them training to do?

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lol now thats the truth. I had the same problem when I was in college. My team was geared around quarter milers. The sprint team was some shit. The team was still awesome, we won the conference championship a few times and the 4X4 came in 3rd at nationals ( a great accomplishment for a black college). The sprinters worked out like 400 meter runners.
5x500 5 min recovery. shit like that

We got no speed work until the week before conference. We had no weight room routine. I went from 10.6 in highschool to 10.8 in college.

I quit after 2.5 years. Got back down to 10.6 and then 10.38 a few years later.

I say fuck a team, It is all about self. Where will the team be when you run 11.5!

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DISAGREE!

Pope

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Those are actually some pretty good workouts…IF you’re training for 800 meters, and that’s the real issue. This guy (coach) is NOT a sprint coach. He is a mid-/long distance running geek who thinks he’s a sprint coach. There’s probably no use arguing with him about sprinting because he doesn’t understand–or he wouldn’t be using those “workouts.”

You can either accept those things you cannot change and become a 400/800 guy now (and do real sprinting later), or quit now and follow cfts on your own.

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The kid must believe he’s a good enough athlete to respond to any kind of training…

Pretty sure the original poster realizes he’s a good enough athlete to respond to this training, just not going to respond to it very well in terms of sprint performance. That’s like saying hey go run 3 miles, as long as you believe you’ll run 100 meters faster afterwards then you will, which is asinine. If the mind were that influential training wouldn’t be necessary. Just because someone is a coach doesn’t mean they are God and there is no way they don’t know how to make YOUR body better than YOU do.

As for this whole comraderie and enjoy the social scene crap, first line of this thread the poster stated “with dreams of excelling in track and field.” Dreams take some degree of sacrifice, and I know I sure as hell am not going to let my dreams tack a back seat so I can meet a few extra people who I can call in 10 years and say what’s up. Bottom line, you have a dream that you are serious about, then do what you gotta do to get it. You don’t think you’re getting better with this bs coaching, then don’t waste your time and let someone take YOUR dream away from you.

“You must be willing to sacrifice to the same level of that you wish to achieve”

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Don’t worry about the social thing, if you run the times people will respect you whether or not your on the team. I had friends that were on the team and even though I decided to run unattached, they were still my friends. At the college level the turn over rate for people joining and quiting is very high. It doesn’t matter man. Either way your a college student, your broke…girls don’t want someone that is broke. You could look as good as me it still wouldn’t matter. Seriously. If you don’t believe me ask them. Keep your head in the books and run as fast as you can. Worry about the other stuff later. Thats my advice.

For me training with the team and doing elite 800m workouts burnt me out so much, that even if I did want to have a social life I couldn’t because I was too tired from track. And too tired to study. Either way I think your on the right track, good luck.

THE GUY.