Yes, and that’s why they were still running 23 and 51
10x200 in 27… 2 minute breaks… how fast are you? I know 10.4/20.8 guys that would be incinerated by that workout.
fogelson
I am not fast…that’s what my athletes have been doing.
I have done this kind of training with my athletes for over 6 yrs. now. Younger athletes in particular respond better to this kind of training regime (tempo) with shorter breaks. I have found that for my 100/200 and 200/400 runners but not for 100m sprinters these training sessions work wonders.
I take Hart’s approach when it comes to tempo sessions.
We did 15x200m last night in 35sec. with 2min. breaks. When we get to 27sec. pace we will do 7 reps with 2-2.5min. breaks. Over 12 week SPP period we will decrease no. of reps from 16 to 5 where we will run 5x200m in 25-25.50sec in our 12th week. This is not going to be a classic tempo session but more intensive tempo.
How fast? Well, let’s say I coach for instance a very young kid who could run now 21.90 and perhaps in 6 months when peaking - 21.10 - 21.50sec. which is our target. The kid has never been injured, responds to this type of training very well.
I guess (a speculation) Powell’s 10x200 might have been done at around 27-29sec. pace and with 3-5min. breaks judging by his body frame and also he is the100m specialist.
Powell is sub20 in anyone’s books so 27 to 28 is extensive tempo. The breaks can keep it tough but it won’t slow him down (not the next day anyway!)
The breaks can keep it tough but it won’t slow him down (not the next day anyway!)
I understand that Charlie but I wonder why would Powell do 10x200m and then race in 100m the same day in the afternoon (if I’ve understood it correctly)?
A tempo session and then a sub-max? Why? Thanks.
Not sure why that was the choice for an AM session but clearly they were training through the meet. While tempo can be done any time, I wonder what followed the next day. Where are weights at this point? Explosive work?
We don’t know the times from the workout so it’s hard to say if it was ext or int tempo. I’m sure the work was done on a track and probably was faster then 27sec.
Those are the programs that dominate the NCAA level, workouts such as 3x500, or 10x200 and no grass tempo work.
I’ve been told that MVP runs in 30s neighbourhood
I will believe it when I see it…
Why is that?
I think he runs 30 because his ankle is too crippled to run any faster. 
So isn’t 10x200 @65% probably just as about as difficult as the elites’ 90minute sprint warmup?
How much you wanna bet it turns out he has a Liu Xiang-esque achilles issue that the coaching is afraid to leak?
Any person (I’m loathe to call them a coach) who gives a very young kid who is training to be a sprinter, a session of 15 x 200m should be charged with child abuse.
If the kid is still able to run in 6 months it will be an achievement.
It’s appalling what some people will do to claim their sessions are tougher than ‘anyone else’s’.
I know way too may abusive coaches then 
I’m watching one of them slowly destroy a 13 year old who has run 55seconds in the 400 and triple jumped 11.50 with poor technique. All the while the parents think that he’s doing a great job. :mad: More work for their little girl will make her tough. Actually it’s making her HATE the sport. And they wonder why their equally talented older daughter quit athletics? Some people shouldn’t be allowed around kids.
I’m still curious about your comments.
Are you sure they are running faster and on the track because someone saw this and told you or are you sure because you think everyone at the top does intensive tempo?
Jackie Joyner K always spoke of those types of workouts. Maybe you would like to charge Bobby with child abuse 
Not a bad idea actually…
JJK was no kid when she was doing that! She worked bloody hard but was prepared for that hard work over years.
I remember John Smith telling me about "this amazing athlete’ when she was a three sport star at UCLA before she specialized in track.
G’day Mortac8
I was talking about:
"who gives a very young kid who is training to be a sprinter’
As Charlie said Jackie Joyner was no ‘very young kid’.
JJK can chew up 600’s like they were nothing. A good friend who observed it said it was extremely impressive. As observed, she was in her late 20’s at that point.
Any person (I’m loathe to call them a coach) who gives a very young kid who is training to be a sprinter, a session of 15 x 200m should be charged with child abuse.
Grow up Youngy!
JB is coming up shortly.
P.S. I really should not but…
If the kid is still able to run in 6 months it will be an achievement.
This kind of comment just proves that there are no coaches who could possibly coach pro runners. I call them punters.
I won’t disclose this kid’s identity but if you had a chance to know whom I am talking about you would really keep quiet.
600s are the key to 100h, LJ, HJ, SP, 200, and JT