converting 50m time to a 60

a hand timed 50m at 5.73 seconds would be what for 60m FAT? approximately

Depends on how it was timed. If it was a proper hand-timed competition it should convert to about 6.9x. If it was in training from first movement it may convert to something like 7.1-7.3.

robin how did you come to that?

For a hand-timed competition add 0.24s to get a FAT equivalent. For a training run timed from first movement add between 0.4 and 0.65s depending on who times it. Then add about 1s for an extra 10m depending on the level of the athlete. A 6.50 sprinter would run the last 10m in about 0.88, a 7.00 sprinter maybe in 0.98.

7.10 approximately. My 50m pb at training is 5.78 hand timed and my 60m FAT is 7.19.

am i missing something here? If you run 578 in training, and we add .24 we get 6.02

In training if the hand timer (coach)says “start” to the runner , and hits the watch on his own verbal command, theres only going to be a .24 avg inaccuracy…

So if you are hitting the 50 with 6.02, the next ten meters should be the fastest in the race…right ?

From 50 to 60 you would have to go more than 10 meters pr sec…otherwise how could you even run a 50 in 5.78 to 6.0 if you can’t run faster than 10 mps…. so the last ten meters should be 0.9 or so, right?

well .9 and 6.02 is well under 7 seconds…even if you want to be conservative and say 1 second for the last ten, that’s still 7.02… but you still should be even faster than 6.02 to 50 than practice because it’s game day

so would it be safe to say there’s an execution problem in meets , or lack of form? or, too tense? Because in a meet you should be faster right? I’m asking this for my own guys, because they routinely hit 5.7’s and i expect them to break 7 this season….if they don’t i’m going to think it’s more execution under duress thats lacking

I think you are talking about something very different here. If the coach starts the stopwatch on his own start command the time should be close to FAT. If the coach starts the stopwatch on seeing the athlete move it will be 0.4 to 0.65s off a FAT time.

The 0.24s differential for hand timed meets comes from the time it takes for the timer to react to the gun. This does now apply if the timer is also the starter, so in this case there should be no systematic difference between FAT and hand timed, although hand timed won’t be as accurate/reliable. One thing to consider in this scenario is the speed of sound though. If the timer is standing at the finish line and gives the start command from there, it will take about 0.15s for the sound to reach the athlete, which means the time will actually be slower than FAT.

If the stopwatch was started the exact same time the start command was given (i.e. on the s of the “start”) and the athlete ran 5.73 over 50m, they should be capable of hitting 6.7s FAT over 60m (or faster if the start command came from the finish line).

i still think theres a quarter second differential because you have to react to the finish on the stopwatch, but yeah you are making sense…

the point of this is, if they run slow, its not physical, which means the coaching has to be in other areas like attitude and focus, since the speed is built already

You don’t have to react to the finish, as you can see them approaching it and hence know exactly when they will get there. If you had to react to the finish like you do to the start, the two would cancel each other out and there would be no systematic difference between FAT and hand timed competitions.

conservative reasoning on my part is all