Agreed. But is it a lack of talent and athletes not putting out or just a coach that doesn’t know what hes doing.
Charlie trained Angela and Desai for a good portion of their careers (I think Angela had her first sub 11 with long-to-short? Her pr was in short-to-long though) with a long-to-short program and presents his version of a long-to-short program (and reasons why or why not you would incorporate it) in various products (ie Vanc 04). You’re presenting a very limited scope of both programs.
Look up the posts of a guy who actually trained at the same track as Arkansas in 06 or 07 (I forget which season exactly). There was a good amount of speed work with substantial recoveries.
You already have your mind made up about this though.
lol talking about taking out of context. Talking about principals, not the same.
Things I see in the programs mentioned:
-Focus on high quality sprint work for a good portion of the season. This meaning quality work while in a recovered and optimal state.
-A general vs specific approach to weights, utilizing very basic, full body approaches.
-Workload distributions.
Now, you could say someone like Clyde Hart (and some of the other 400m type coaches) has a very different approach, doing virtually 0 speed work outside of meets. That is very different, but probably is also a reflection on the # of 100m sprinters they produce.
Maybe you guys didnt read the part that I said only the talented guys we have + me that get better. We’re all 100m/200m sprinters, dont do real speed work, spend too much time doing intensive tempo with limited recovery then in the SAME session do limited recovery speed work. Also there is no basic periodization as i said before, strength just gets cuts out before meets and that’s that.
Forgot one thing, we also do heavy resisted sprints with harnesses over 10-20m.
I’ve been missing practices and doing what charlie says on my own, i do my own strength training and take it easy in his workouts, plus i got a good amount of talent.
And where is that going to get you when you get kicked off the team?
So what you have been following this site for a couple months, maybe bought an ebook or something of Charlies and ran some 60s, have a highschool at best understanding of anything related to exercise science and other similiar disciplines and all of a sudden know more than your coach.
I am assuming you have talked to this coach and asked him why he does the practices that he does and also explained your side?
And if you could humor me since what you are doing is better, could you tell me what exactly you are doing, how it is periodized, what results you expect from what meets, what aspects of it are better than your coaches and why?
I’ve spent 2 years researching speed and know quite a bit about it as well as strength training.
I will never get kicked off, this isn’t a high school team. It’s a club, we’re pretty high ranked (due to our distance runners).
Since I get the tempo I need to from his workouts, I spend majority of workouts working on max velocity sprints. keep in mind usually 1 a week, sometimes 2, but then acceleration training would be done more.
I do proper plyometrics, not doing 30 sets of box jumps for a total of 150 touches in our WARM UP like we do in his workouts.
For lifting right now doing full body (for now). 3 times a week, 2 days of those squats/1 deadlift. After 4 weeks, take 5 days off lifting. I bench 2-3 times a week at 3-4 sets (2-6 reps).
Squats I do 3x6/3x3 in the same workout, of course getting heavier. Deadlifts 5x6,4,4,3,2.
Speed work is 4x10m/2x20m/2x30m/5x55m. I do 4x10m with falling start, 2x20m from blocks, 2x30m with push up start, and 5x55m with variation or just a explosive semi split squat standing.
During competition time, speed endurance is done, as well as regular speed. Some overspeed, volume is cut down. Sets/reps drop in weight room and supplemetary lifts are cut out.
If I ask my coach for explanation, he’ll ignore me or just tell me to do it.
Not all programs are going to follow CF principles. I gurantee that if you did what your coach said with effort you would improve. High school kids don’t need anything fancy. Shit I barley remember doing much true speed work in high school (Alot of intensive tempo, long duration runs, a few block starts here and there). Most of the speed work was through relay exchanges and the blocks. And we were still able to run 43.64 and 3:25 4x4 as juniors. Not blazing but pretty decent.
Ok its a club. But i do have a question, how long do you guys have from start to finish (i.e. length of season)? Maybe he has to mix in some of the workouts due to short length in season so as to build a base. But from what your saying, he seems to be a distance coach maybe and isnt as up to date with sprint training. And you kinda of answered the others guys acusation on you haveing high school understanding when you retorted “with i’ve been researching sprint training for TWO years”. Do ya thing.
There are many many ways to skin a cat but if you don’t believe in a program (by self fulfilling prophecy or whatever) you are unlikely to improve.
Unfortunately, most people here aren’t going to sledge another coach without knowing all the facts. What I would encourage you to do is talk to him honestly (but respectively) about your concerns and ideas. You may find there are good reasons for the approach he’s taking. If you’re very lucky he may even be prepared to compromise in some small ways. You won’t know until you ask.
I’ve heard a lot of people mention this now and in the past (I think I even did the same before) and, to be quite honest, it doesn’t help the situation most of the time. I actually don’t know of anybody that it actually helped. There are very few coaches (or people for that matter) willing to make room for individual variances within a program and don’t want the athlete to give input on what they think they should be doing. Most of the coaches here are a great exception to that (which is probably why they are spending time researching).
Not to mention, if they give you a nonsensical reason for doing something (ie run in lane one to maximize centrifugal force…), what are you going to do/say?
A parent asked him one time, why are they doing so much running with no break (intensive/short rest), he said it is to be able to maintain their speed better at end of a race + handle lactic acid better + get better mechanics.
Well basically, running slower with proper mechanics to run faster with better mechanics is the idea, but what about fatigue? small recovery = lazy running = poor mechanics.
I dont see what your issue is here, its just a club, if you dont like it and think you can do better yourself then do it.
I have not known a coach even ones who I do not personally like who if approached in a nonconfrontation matter would not speak reasonably to their athletes.
Obviously you do not believe your coach is doing what is best, so then do it yourself.
and know quite a bit about it as well as strength training.