If you’re drunk and drive without a license then you’re at fault for the cause of accidents. Hispanics and Native Americans scored highest amongst this groups. Interesting black children are disproportionately killed in accidents because they are less likely to use seat belts.
Under crash types Asians score lowest amongst serious fatalities. Hispanics and Native Americans are involved in the highest number of fatalities because they have higher rates of intoxication, drive without a license & drive at higher speed.
You may find Asian immigrant drivers annoying because they drive slow & take extra long to park. However when it comes to accidents driving slow reduces the chance of serious injury because of less force on impact.
I’ve been rammed from behind while stationary in traffic by a caucasian idiot. never had any problem with hispanics or native americans or natives in general. But I’ve been plagued by Chinese men and women playing dodgem cars so I don’t think the premise of the thread is refuted one iota. As far as I’m concerned, speaking from personal experience, it is my opinion that the worst drivers I have encountered are overwhelmingly Chinese. And the report which heads this thread provides some amazing road toll figures from within China itself, so I can’t see where they aren’t shocking drivers. Not all of them of course, just all the ones I deal with:eek: when I drive through Chinatown on my way to and from the office five days a week. (And, for the record, I’m not saying they’re not wonderful people:) . They’re just shockers behind the wheel:p )
Obviously you wouldn’t have problems with Native Americans or Hispanics because their population in Australia is rather small. The statistics were gathered by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. When race and ethnicity were taken into consideration Asians weren’t involved in as many fatal accidents as other groups.
BEIJING, Nov 9 Reuters - A bus crashed into a truck in east China’s Shandong province killing 12 people and injuring 38, state media reported today.
The bus was carrying 55 passengers when it collided with an empty oil tanker on Wednesday at a highway intersection in Dingtao county, Xinhua News Agency said.
China has the world’s deadliest roads, due to routine disregard for traffic regulations, lax enforcement of laws and a cavalier attitude towards safety.
Last year nearly 90,000 people died in traffic accidents and 400,000 were injured, or about one death every five minutes.
What statistical inferences can be drawn from the report you have listed? No data is presented on race/ethnicity and accidents. This entire thread is based on the premise that Asians are worse drivers. However the data collected by NHTSA showed over a 5 year period that Asians are not involved in as many fatalities or accidents. The premise of this thread has been refuted with absolute certainty in regards to the America population.
Personal experience is skewed by Retina lag in this situation. A phenomenon where the retina has an inability to follow signals. What actually happens is a hallucinogenic figure of an Asian bad driver. One is the same as the other. Before you get the chance to beep the horn, the mind is already made up based on pre-concepts and stereotypes. This was the reason why police removed line ups. Numerous black men were identified in crimes they did not commit.
Psychological testing using blacks & whites were conducted. Subjects were told to recall what they saw the black or white males to be holding. Both black/white males would hold up a ruler. Subjects would recall that in 70% of cases they believed that the black male was holding a knife. In 95% of cases when it came to white men, subjects recalled rulers and in none of them reported the white male to have a knife. Does that say something about stereotypes and racial profiling?
It’s a matter of cause and effect. If you believe that Asians are the worst drivers, then you need to have statistics to proof it. At this stage the data doesn’t show this. You’re entitled to your opinions. However, that’s all they will be - mere opinions. And anybody can have one.
I too drive through Chinatown regularly and occasionally verbalise my frustrations. However they usually drive slow - maybe drive their cars across two lanes. Which is extremely frustrating. But when it comes to accidents and fatalities, speed & alcohol intoxication are the two main factors leading to serious injury or fatalities. Asians statistically are less likely to drink drive or drive fast. Taking up two lanes gives ample warning to the other motorists
Native Americans and Hispanics cause the most fatal accidents because they drive drunk the most often. But most of these fatalities are single or double vechicle deals at 3 am, so since i’m on the road at 3 am aproximently once every never I don’t worry about drunk hispanics. I do worry about chinese ladies in parking lots who want to mess up my bumper/side panel/ect ect.
Alcohol is the #1 cause of fatalities, reckless driving/speeding #2, but often times these fatalities just take out the driver or their passangers, so again, stats don’t really tell the whole picture.
If a study were done of fatalities/serious injuries involving no alcohol or speeding, and mesured the injury/death’s of just the victims, I’d be willing to bet that Asians (using the umbrella term from the Ntl Highway report) would win going away. to quote charlie, “they’d be so far out in front they’d have to send a post card to the rest of the field”.
When I have to honk my horn at blacks, whites and hispanics who’ve lerched out into an intersection without looking and seem hell bent on turning into me as often as I have to with asains (most often chinese looking people) then I’ll grant you that they don’t suck on the whole as drivers.
Good to see that some logic has come into this discussion. Alcohol and speed are the real issue on the roads. Our own bias and stereotypes misled us to connect race with driving , we cant trust them.
There may be some truth in you’re comments regarding wayward Asian drivers. However it helps that they are not intoxicated and that their driving slow. Its give ample time to adjust. Alcohol and speed kill, not race.
My second argument is based upon an article published in New Zealand. (Thus it only covers the asian drivers in New Zealand.) It is about a campaign which aims to dispel bad Asian drivers myth. In the article, it is clearly expressed that this is only a myth which results from the difficulties that asian drivers have, trying to adjust to the country’s “unique” road rules. They behave overly cautious since they had come from densely populated areas where they had less driving experience, thus tending to be less confident behind the wheel. According to a numerical data given in the article, in 2004, drivers identified as being Asian were involved in 8 per cent of injury traffic crashes where ethnicity was recorded, and 5 per cent of fatal crashes.
(For the article: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story…
I found the above discussion on another internet forum which does add some more light on the subject.
In the NHTSA report Pacific Islanders are classed as Asians- which is the correct racial grouping based on origins. If the NZ study included Pacific Islanders as Asian then they would represent a large sample. However the problems of collecting data based on ethnicity or race are many. For instance, determining who are Asians in itself may not be clear.
Generally when people say Asians are bad driver, in most cases they are referring to South East Asians. However Asian also includes Arabs. The problem being here is that if statistics are collected on Asian accidents- they should included Arabs, Indians, South East Asia and Pacific Islandia . So the saying Asians are bad drivers cannot be true, because people are not referring to larger umbrella of racial groups. But they are referring to South East Asians.
“There are three types of lies - lies, damn lies, and statistics.”- Benjamin Disraeli.
If you have read How to Lie with Statistics by Darrell Huff. It points out the difference between correlation and causation- “Correlation does not imply causation”. However research today, especially in medicine, look firstly at correlations between one group and one variable and then finds cause and effect relationships. I wouldn’t take those quotes by Benjamin Disraeli or Darrell Huff too seriously. It helped them sell a lot of books or push their own political ambitions. If you accept those quotes to be true. Than there can be no truth in anything. Which in itself can’t be true. It’s true that there is no truth? The end result is that we learn nothing & we have nothing to learn. Global skepticism is a big dead end. And the quote “There are three types of lies - lies, damn lies, and statistics.”- is just another form of global skepticism. There is no truth in statistics - only lies.
I would just like to know if I can walk into New Zealand’s version of K Mart and purchase a shot gun. As they seem to have the same Unusual ethical and moral fabric as Americans.
NZ has quite strict gun laws and they are only sold from authorised gun dealers to licensed persons. There are also restrictions on what you are allowed to own. http://www.police.govt.nz/service/firearms/
Of course the above only applies to those who obey the law
Between 2001 & 2006 Census the Asian ethnic group increased from 238,176 to 354,552 an increase of almost 50%. NOTE Pacific peoples are recorded as a separate group.
Asians are NZ’s 4th largest group behind after European, Maori and Other ethnic groups. They make up 9.2% of the population.
FWIW although I have contributed to this thread I am not entirely comfortable with some of the opinions expressed and sweeping generalizations being made.
Statistics have to be truth because they are what actually happened. Unless you take them blatantly out of context, or use false statistics, then it’s purely an excuse to say they don’t show the real picture.
John, In the USA You also would not be able to purchase a gun in many K Marts.
Each state has their own gun laws. States that have non restrictive gun laws allow easy purchases. Others do not. For instance in my home state there are all kinds of retrictions making it very difficult to purchase a gun under any circumstance.
The purchase a gun in any K Mart story is just another exageration put out there by People who love stereotyping.
Of course we do have a document called the bill of rights that seems to have served us fairly well over the last 200 years.
I always say freedom, and choice always beats the alternative,in spite of the not so nice things it sometimes brings with it.
