Yes - the same would go for Tim and Marion. I could remember asking them to demonstrate their power clean technique when they were up at York University. Charlie and I winced when we saw one rep of their technique (or lack thereof). Charlie instantly decided to eliminate that exercise from the program. Too much risk, not enough reward. They were high level athletes that were able to get more out of a general lifting program, relying on med-ball throws for much of their explosive work.