with speed days under 400m, are you thinking i cut the long run? because othewise thats like 200m or under of accelerating work?
and i did start to lower plyo volume when i was in the season, im not planning on exceeding 25-50 from now on (5x5 hurdle hops and some llrr hops should suffice), but it may have been too late if i was overtrained from summer and fall
and with ur reccomendation of 3 lifting sessions per week, how are you splitting ur weights in this case? lower twice and upper once, or full body 3x?
and i do agree, i dont think training 6x a week was necessary at all, i shouldve done more like 4-5 per week, and will try to do 4 a week for the rest of the season
i have considered this, though while younger i tried harder in races and was able to hit the position anyways, so i think a lesser ROM is a cause of the problem too
though i do think that i am trying to push too hard after the first couple steps because i never really reach a “pull” stage of my race in the dash, and i think running my own race might help with this
earlier in the year i wanted to bulk up and im a hard gainer so i had to lift a lot and eat like a horse to put on weight, but i feel that im muscular enough now where i dont need to worry about getting bigger so long as im getting stronger so i might try out that lower, upper/lower, upper set up you said
tb, your reply certainly put a lot more out there to think about. The partial ACL tear is a significant piece of information. On your own analysis, you talk about feeling tight, back pelvic tilt, etc. It could be a lot of things, but I would honestly start by testing my flexibility and length/tension relationships in hams, quads, hip flexors, glutes, and your upper body posture. Are you lordotic? It comes with the anterior pelvic tilt. Perhaps due to short hip flexors you have anterior tilt, resulting in inability to get into a good top speed position. That would explain the loss in maxV, the lowered knee height, and pushing out the back. I would keep my tempo down around 2000m and make sure your not going too fast. You sound like a hard worker and that tends to happen in guys who like to push. I think with all the plyo, weight work, and speed, you are taxing CNS too much. Maybe cut to 2 speed days and make sure to follow speed with weights. Keep volume down. Don’t fall in love with too many sets. Get in, stimulate, get out. Rest, therapy, and nutrition ad nauseum. I doubt you lost speed, it is more likely your posture affecting your poisiton. I haven’t seen you run, but I am just taking an educated guess based on your own words.
thanks for the reply, and it was partial pcl tear, not acl, so it didnt require surgey, though my left leg’s lower part is not slightly further back in the knee socket than my right. but also it occurred before my 6.98 so if its caused any imbalance problems, they wouldve been there before my lack of PR improvement
i will lower volume, quality over quantity i guess, and i have had tight hip flexors ever since frosh year, though i had good posterior tilt at maxv back then so maybe the weight lifting without sufficient stretching just accentuated that
would you reccomend putting benching or other upper body work with speed and lower weights days since u said weights after speed? i’d been doing benching the day after speed, but idk if thats wrecking my cns down too much
either way im taking a break til late march to try and rest up, and esp if im overtrained it should help me be able to improve during outdoors
Yes, honestly just do your weights on speed days and 72 hours apart. Going back to back days is certainly having a negative effect on CNS. Better PCL than ACL. My bad on the misread. Really be diligent about your flexibility. It gets boring so I promote my athletes to do Yoga 3 times per week. It is great flexibility and relaxing. I do a Rodney Yee video at home. Takes like 25 mins start to finish. It’s called Power Yoga:strength and felxibility. Hope it helps.
i could try something like that. before i lifted i was very lithe and limber, so i guess i shirked out on flexibility because i didnt realize i could end up on the other end of the spectrum
as far as supplementary weights (which ive done simply because putting on weight is hard for me so ive always added some type of 2x10 or 3x8 circuit after my primary lift) would those be okay to have day after speed since its not as high a stim? im just scared about how long the training session would be if i tried to fit speed, plyos and full body lifting in one day (i only have from 2:30-5:30 to train each day because of school and family)
i know not everything is applicable in every case, but it seems to me that usually the bulky muscle sprinters are the good starters, not the skinny, light kids (from observation of pro races and from my own high school races)[/QUOTE]
Kim Cöllins is another example of being skinny and very good starter. This season he ran 6.50over 60m
You probably only need 2 weight workouts per week. If running is your main focus, trying to add sets in for size is just one more thing taking away from your speed development. Honestly, if speed is your primary goal, anything that interfers with it should be cut out. Perhaps due to body type (sounds like you are ectomorph), it would take too much effort to get major hypertrophy. The hypertrophy should be a by product of years of training, not a rapid change for the sake of it. Maybe do speed 2 days, followed by weights. Should take 2 hours max. Do your tempo and flexibility 4 other days. Don’t stretch so hard that you induce soreness. A one hour massage once per week. It would certainly fit into your time parameters.QUOTE=tb2010;246773]i could try something like that. before i lifted i was very lithe and limber, so i guess i shirked out on flexibility because i didnt realize i could end up on the other end of the spectrum
as far as supplementary weights (which ive done simply because putting on weight is hard for me so ive always added some type of 2x10 or 3x8 circuit after my primary lift) would those be okay to have day after speed since its not as high a stim? im just scared about how long the training session would be if i tried to fit speed, plyos and full body lifting in one day (i only have from 2:30-5:30 to train each day because of school and family)
Kim Cöllins is another example of being skinny and very good starter. This season he ran 6.50over 60m [/QUOTE]
thats true, and i havent seen that specific race, but i wouldnt be surprised if he has a really high maxv which is still part of a 60, and maybe a good drive phase, but not a fantastic first 10-15m
be as strong as possible
be as light as possible
be as flexible as possible
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people keep looking for outliers, but they really aren’t outliers. Same scenario with Combest. “O well he’s light so that proves you don’t have to be strong to run fast”
no, he’s fast-- thus proving his strength. (not a squat!)
