bud_mike's pre and post supp idea

45minutes Before chen-musashi product
Pure free form amino acid formula powder. Contains Glycine, L-Arginine and L-Methionine
Key Benefits
Free form powder
Amino acid combination for creatine phosphate
The amino acids contained in Chen: Arousal are required for the production of creatine phosphate, which acts as the store in the muscle of “instant energy”. This creatine must be continually replaced, and to do so Glycine, L-Arginine and L-Methionine must be supplied together in sufficient quantity.
Available in 66g and 150g Oral Powder

45minutes Before
L-Tyrosine Pure free form amino acid powder

Key Benefits
Pure free form powder
Precursor for dopamine
Tyrosine is a precursor for the neurotransmitters dopamine and noradrenaline. Levels of these neurotransmitters are increased by tyrosine supplementation. These particular neurotransmitters are associated with mood, memory, alertness and concentration.Tyrosine is a type of amino acid with similar functions to phenylalanine. Its primary use in the body is for the production of the stimulatory neurotransmitter named norepinephrine. It is also an essential component of thyroid hormones.
Available in 50g Oral Powder

40min before
Huan: Dispersion Formula
musashi product

Pure free form oral powder, containing L-Methionine, Choline and Inositol

Key Benefits
Pure free form powder
Fat metabolising ingredients
Liver Huan: Dispersion Formula contains the pure amino acids used by the liver in detoxification reactions and dispersion of fats. The basic component required for the breakdown of toxic compounds is Methionine. Choline and Inositol are responsible for the transport of fats in the blood.detoxification

Inositol helps to protect the body from stress by enhancing the function of the “calming” neurotransmitter, gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA). GABA helps to prevent the nerve impulses relating to stress from reaching various motor centers of the brain.

Choline improves sports performance in endurance athletes. By functioning as a precursor for the neurotransmitter acetylcholine, choline helps to improve focus and willpower in endurance athletes.

In a preliminary study, supplemental choline improved race times and decreased fatigue in swimmers. It also increased endurance in swimmers and basketballers.

Another double-blind crossover trial involved long-distance runners running a 20-mile race. When athletes received a placebo, their average time was 158.9 minutes. These same long-distance runners improved their average time to 153.7 minutes after taking 2,800 mg of supplemental choline chloride.

[b]20min before

Acetyl L-Carnitine[/b]

Key Benefits
Source of Carnitine
Fatty acid metabolism
Can contribute to acetylcholine synthesis

In addition to being a source of carnitine, acetyl L-carnitine can also serve as a source for the acetyl group in the synthesis of the neurotransmitter acetylcholine. Acetyl L-Carnitine can be used to facilitate the provision of energy through the metabolism of fatty acids.

A 1993 study found that giving acetyl-l-carnitine (ALC) to laboratory animals prior to exercise increased their maximum running speed. Other studies have found that ALC improves stamina in athletes.

Inosine 20min before
Key Benefits
Pure free form powder
Precursor to adenosine
Precursor to uric acid (an antioxidant)

Inosine is a precursor of adenosine, which has an important role in energy production. It is also a precursor for uric acid, a natural antioxidant.

[b]Post-workout, games, training

Within 30min

Ni: Nourishment Formula[/b] musashi product
Pure free form amino acid formula, containing the three Branched Chain Amino Acids (BCAAs)

Ni: Nourishment Formula contains pure branched chain amino acids. Strenuous exercise can cause breakdown of protein in the muscles. The BCAAs (Leucine, Isoleucine and Valine) are unlike other amino acids, in that they can be taken up very quickly at the muscle site. This formulation works particularly well after strenuous exercise.
Available in 66g, 150g and 300g Oral Powder

Branched Chain Amino Acids (BCAAs) for Sports Performance
Branched chain amino acids (the collective name for the combination of isoleucine, leucine and valine) have been found to improve sports performance.

In one study, endurance athletes who received supplemental BCAAs experienced a 7% reduction in their perceived exertion and a 15% reduction in their perceived mental fatigue during exercise.

In another study, rats who were forced to run on a treadmill were able to run for an average of 99 minutes before exhaustion occurred when they received BCAAs compared to an average of 76 minutes for rats who received a placebo

After 30min- WPI


Key Benefits
Pure free form powder
Energy source for certain cells
Beneficial in strenuous exercise
Beneficial during periods of stress

Glutamine is an important energy source for the cells in the intestinal tract and the immune system. It should be taken in circumstances likely to lead to glutamine deficiencies such as strenuous exercise and during periods of extreme stress.

Each capsules contains Magnesium, Zinc, Vitamin B6 and Manganese.
Key Benefits
Magnesium and Zinc
Vit and Min Supplement
May assist strength and power in athletes
Vitamin B6 and Manganese

ZMA+ is a dietary supplement. May help increase strength and power in athletes.
Please note: Vitamin supplements should not replace a balanced diet

other everyday stuff
ALoe vera, B1, Calcium, VIT C, glucsomine, B12

all comments welcome.

also would like to know if people use anything between rounds, i was thinking, Carnitine and inosine.

You work for Musashi Mike?

Mike, what are the dosages?

haha no, they just seem to have the right products and give them to me at the right price :wink: i just said they were musashi coz they have funny names, so incase people wanted tolook them up they knew who made it.

i wont get into the nitty gritty right now, first want to see if you guys would add or take out anything, if ive missed anything. and also if people use anything between rounds?

I found glutamine does little for me. Even in high doses.

Alcar and Tyrosine are good. They give me a 1% performance increase but a 50% residual fatigue increase. I’d say they should be used sparingly (not every day).

That stuff is alot of $$$ for a not statistically insignificant effect. I’d just go with the WPI (better yet a pure hydrolyzed protein…doesn’t taste bad…really), ZMA, and tyrosine/alcar on special occassions.

so would people say that BCAA’s is the best thing to take inbetween rounds.

for eg, 3 rounds of 100m with around 50min between each round. take bcaa’s straight afer each round?