Yes it is.unsafe, everyone gets it…unsafe as are many forms of depth jumps…compared to some youtube football lifts, it is still almost a rehabilitation controlled lift:)
Btw, was not Kosmus…
Yes, he always throws…even 2 times a day…even when it is raining…he adds some jumps, those close grip snatches, and lots of reps doing hammer imitative exercise, rotations with a chain and a 25 kg plate.
Not even close. This is up there with stupid stuff [former] elite athletes do in the weightroom. I can only trust CF in that he said before Ben squatted below parallel, not bounced, etc. and I’ll believe him with that because this is about as unsafe as somebody can get in training.
He is not Bouncing! Look very carefully when they zoom in on the chair. His hammies hit 1st, then the glutes JUST touch, once they touch, he come up. Its not a Full Sit down by any means. You need to really squash that padding to Bounce. therefore he is not really doing Box squats. The bench seems to be a depth guage. Go down, Tap and Up. Far from a bounce. Except the 3rd rep where it seems he hit the bench, The bar twisted and had a hard time coming up, (not good) - That rep was bad, but with a dude supporting his posture like that, he’ll be fine.
Im not a fan of having a dude that close supporting him - would rather see it 10% lighter and nobody there (if you need somebody there, its too heavy!) He also has Bars that can be used as a depth guide instead of a bench. No need for them both. No need for benches at all really, If your sitting on a bench, with a barbell on your shoulders, cant be safe. If the bar is on other bars, takes the pressure off your back, esp if your in trouble, even for a second = much safer. (not talking powerlifting meet training here)
He is very close to parallel, only 1-2inches. I would rather see 1-2inches Below than above, esp for sprinters.
Maybe its just a Ego Set, and the rest of the sets were diff?? Just for the camera’s so to speak?
If you do it right, Nothing. If you do it wrong = lots.
Imagine if in that clip shown on ben, he did a 2sec pause, and no guy strapped to his back, and no safety bars. Then look at bens 3rd rep, the one where he looses control a touch and the bar twists (right side of bar moves forward, left side of bar moves backward). Lucky that spotter was there, or perhaps, the only time he pushes THAT hard is when he does have a spotter.
The point is, just be careful. Make sure, if things go pear shape (like that 3rd rep of bens) you have safety options in place where you dont get hurt. Powerlifters always seem to get hurt.
I personally prefer putting the bar down onto safety cage bars, wait a second or two then go up. Why keep all that weight on your spine for longer when its just a squat and squatting is not your sport.
There is absolutely no way that the Ben in the video (in the shape he was in at the time) could have done 1x405lb to parallel and with CONTROL. Absolutely no chance. The fact you are trying to explain away the video makes me laugh.
I wouldn’t consider what Ben is doing Box Squatting.
Looking at it again, i think the seat maybe more for the benefit of the Spotter? Ben is normal squatting, and the spotter is sitting.
Mind you, your not going to get me in either Bens position with somebody on my back like that, or in the spotters position (unless its a hot chick…) - it just aint gunna happen.
Regardless, ( and this is not an attack on you fogelson) but when I roam around on the net looking at huge squat vids I’m always amazed at all the comments from unknown people who try and discredit the lifter because “his ass did not touch the floor!” or " he’s not completely parallel!". Geez, these people need to give it a rest! I’m quite sure 90% of the people who make these comments could not even unrack the bar in the video they commented on, let alone do REPS/SETS with it!!!
The thing that you are missing is, at that point in his career, Ben was one of those people who shouldn’t have unracked the weight and done “REPS/SETS” with it. You can’t tell me that the positives (if there are any) of that lift outweighed the positive. Judging from the bouncing and apparent excessive spotting, he would have been better served to take at least a plate off. This only underscores the value of good coaching in the weight room and I can’t imagine Charlie giving the green light on anything remotely close to that.
Have to disagree many athletes even coaches on this forum could do squat lockouts with 495. Come on man, 495 with knee wraps, belt and a nice spotter while bouncing is extremely easy.
why would he do weights differently from how he was when he was no1, I suggest he has no form, knees too far forward, left foot, possibly both splayed, the spotter is supposed to be there to stop him from overbalancing backwards, not help him lift. I prefer the smiths machine, can keep an eye on form and assist if needed.
If the idea of weights is to overload (strengthen) in as close as position as possible to racing form why do deep squats where the butt touches the floor.
Wow this is the exact point I made to my friend today. I’m sure Ben lifting tech didn’t change when he wasn’t training with Charlie. Maybe Charlie instructed Ben to squat like this for a reason??..
I most definitely could do what Ben did in this particular video (which as said is past his prime). It is a complete shit squat and unimpressive. I know numerous athletes on this site alone who have squatted more weight deeper and with technique that is actually safe and beneficial. There isn’t a chance that the Ben in this video could do 455x1 to parallel without knee wraps and with a controlled eccentric. Absolutely no chance.
You just don’t have a clue about what you’re talking about and probably have no idea how to squat yourself. It isn’t even about it being a slight bit off technically as nobody is perfect with technique and a person not competing in the sport is rarely going to have optimal form, but the form in the video is so incredibly unsafe is poses an IMMEDIATE risk to the athlete, who could have a back injury at any time doing such a stupid technique.