No. 2,
Can you post Mo and Tim’s start next to Ben’s for comparison. The shear force that Ben displaces is amazing! I would like to see that start next to Mo. 15 years later, i’m still amazed of what he accomplished. It’s ashame we couldn’t have have seen a few more years of him racing. Ben was well ahead of his time. Look at the advances in track and field today. Athletes are just now reaching the performances that he did.
I’ll try to come up with some clips for comparison purposes…
Originally posted by Rockjumper
Real Deal,
If you want to take a 9.79 and keep it there, that’s your decision. Just ask Maurice if he’s happy with his, then ask him about Montgomery’s record. If you want to be a ghost in the record book you can continue to win today, but to be a legend of the sport you must proove you can win tomarrow too. Never settle for what you have or you’ll end up like Greene.
I don’t know where this is coming from…
But if I end up like Mo Greene, I would have multiple Olympic, WC Gold medals and millions of dollars in my account:clap::devil::shoot:
Ya…please explain what you mean…or people will call you crack rock jumper.
Hahaha “crack rock jumper.”
From your previous posts, it doesn’t sound like you’re much of a technician. Be stronger, react well to the gun and run smooth are vital, but those coaching cues alone won’t get it done in the NCAA, let alone the elite level.
Also, the reference I made to Greene was to show that unless you smash a WR, someone else with similar ability and better technique will take it from you…and if you were an athlete, then you would know the money is a fringe benefit, but owning a record is what everyone is after. Was hoping you could figure that out for yourself.
“crack jumper”
You’re assuming too much by taking my statement out of context…
This posts is in regards to Ben’s start technique, Not Greene, and not mine…
You talk about me sounding like I’m not a technician. But, would you change Ben’s technique to a traditional style, even if it slows him down? How about MJ running style, would you change it to a traditional style even if it slows him down?
My point was/is if it ain’t broke then don’t try to fix it…“Was hoping you could figure that out for yourself.”:mrt:
It sounded like you were advising someone that technique wasn’t nearly as important as it is. Take Greene for example, who doesn’t have the raw explosiveness that Ben did yet he ran just as fast. Technique? Maybe, but other variables besides technique and physical cabability play a factor in the 100m, and it’s not just academic stuff. If we’re on the same side, then lets talk about something worth discussing and not bicker with each other.
Once again, my point was/is if it ain’t broke then don’t try to fix it…
Quit while your behind :devil:
Rockjumper
Take a very close look at Ben throughout the race and tell me there is ANY technical issue. There is a difference between a mannerism and a mistake, and it would be just as much of a mistake for Ben to start the way Mo does as it would be for Mo to start the way Ben did.
I have limited film of Ben’s start. He has probrably more explosiveness than anyone competing today, and his starting style complimented this physical attribute. I understand there is a lot to learn about the sport, however I have recently returned from working with a former elite level coach from the US (and am continuing to seek explainations), so I am not trying to insult, only find answers. One thing he taught us to look for was a high heel recovery immediately out of the block. If it is high (leg cycling), the quad has to fire causing the foot to strike the ground when moving in both the fwd direction and down into the track instead of attaining negative foot speed. Physics/biomechanics say more horizontal forces will propel the athlete fwd faster, which is why I am wondering why a shallower heel recovery allowing more horizonal forces to be applied across the track as opposed to into it (as when quad firing) was not used?
There was one mistake on Ben’s Seoul race… he slowed down before the finish line! So you really can’t compare his 9.79 with someone else’s 9.79!
What were the splits at 80m? 8.02 vs. 8.11 (for BJ vs. MG)…
Fjlee:
Agreed! I was going to mention that…
Ben ran that 9.79 slowing down, and without the advantages of today’s advancements in track, equipment, etc.
fjlee and deal,
Although your points are well taken about his slowing down, my questions are concerning his starting technique. Please respond from a technical standpoint on Ben’s start.
For me the answer is easy…I wouldn’t change anything with concern to Ben’s start…
The most important part of a start is good reaction, and triple extension.
Question: Based on your statement, How high should the “high heel recovery immediately out of the block” be?
Thank you for that response. In my opinion, the heel should attain a minimum height away from the ground because the higher it is recovered, the longer it has to travel to begin its next drive. Actual height will vary depending on the different anthropometric characteristics of each athlete, but a functional reference is to have them punch the rear foot fwd along the plane close to that of the front shin when in the set position in the block (preferrably lower).
Any suggestions?
sorry, I got caught up in 'the moment"… it still irks me (15 years later) that he should have run through the line.
My only comment when I saw the slo-mo replay of his start is that BJ was on his 3rd step while the others were on their 2nd.
I had filmed myself with my DV camera, and I was surprised how long it took me to reach step #3
Originally posted by Rockjumper
Thank you for that response. In my opinion, the heel should attain a minimum height away from the ground because the higher it is recovered, the longer it has to travel to begin its next drive. Actual height will vary depending on the different anthropometric characteristics of each athlete, but a functional reference is to have them punch the rear foot fwd along the plane close to that of the front shin when in the set position in the block (preferrably lower).
Any suggestions?
I see…
I would recommend that you view the following archive that covers the biomechanical aspects in detail:
http://www.charliefrancis.com/board/philboard_read.asp?id=213&recordnum=0
Rockjumper:
Approximately 20 pages of discussion, and that sentence is all you got from it?
What I thought you would get is how complicated the discussion could be and how the science can differ from actual application…
From the given link:
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