What are your opinions of Applyed (Modified) Strongman Training (AST) for Basketball or any other team sport?
What exercises?
When (before strength training, after, week organization, progressions…)
When in yearly cycle?
AST in in-season…
Goals of AST in team athletes (core strength, ankle strenght, energy system work, explosive strength…)
I am just reading Poliquin’s manual on AST and it is very interesting and insipiring 
Better to do AST than Physio Ball kind’a crap
I am not sure about its use for basketball players, frankly. I have always felt that strongman exercises were best for impact/fighting sports as a general-specific means. In particular, i feel that it really helps in sports when you have to man-handle your opponents. Unless you are playing a pretty rough game, basketball doesn’t really fit the bill.
All sports are going to do some kind of run/jump/throw/(lift or press) because these are the kinds of movements our body has adapted itself to.
I guess if you look at the history of strongman training (performing all of these with normal everday objects [!!!]) you can see that they could be useful. Its just another way of doing them. I also guess the idea of strongman training is that the objects are heavy. What advantages/disadvantages does this have? For me it works more on the strength side of power rather than the speed.
waste of time IMO
i agree 100%.
WTF
I am particually interested into sled pulls, particullary lateral…
duxx,
explain to us what the training woudl look like frist. Then we might be able to make a better judgement. Sled pulls are used in all sorts of sports training, including lateral (for speed skating). A little more detail as to what you mean exactly by strongman training would help.
Imagine a sled with weight attached with a harness to your waist.
You then move laterally in side steps or side lunges etc. etc.
It is imperative you wear sunglasses while performing exercise (…anyone who’s seen the book knows what I’m talking about)
Like I said - a waste of time for BBall, NHL or most sports.
Agreed.
Duxx in what do you think it would be superior to traditional training?
LOL!
It is also good to have bigger guns than wheels! (arms than legs)!
Here is what I have in mind…
But first, t-bone, I am not saying it is superior, I am thinking it is a nice addition to training, altought there is limited time and energy for adaptation. As TC pointed out, AST can be viewed as Strenght training part of equation…
Altought bball is not hockey or football, is can be considered as “contact” sport but not much in a such degree as mentioned sports.
First off, AST on my opinion can deal with strength increase, core stabilty, ankle stability, metabolic conditioning (general).
I would use heavy sled pulls, farmer’s walk (barefoot), and posible tyre flips during the early off season.
I would use the 2x/w before ordinary strength training to develop strength, and 1x/w after strength training to develop musle endurance (lower weights, longer distances, shorter rest) as a base for later metabolic conditioning. Regarding metabolic conditioning, as have three goups: general, general specific and specific. AST can be used as a general form…
Lateral Sled pulls would be emphasised
Barefoot zig-zag FW would be used to strengthen the feet, knees…
AST would be used during the “accumulation” phase in off-season (see my graph in Death to Conjugate Method thread by Davids)…
This is just an “experiment”…
I think it would be fun to do if you had been training some time and wanted some variety. Its also probably quite mentally in tune with people from contact sports. I’m not so sure how 6"10 basketball players would take to it?
Good way to trash your groin!!
people making training more diffcult then what it should be.
The better way to trash groin is to play d-fence unprepared…
We may agree to disagree, but at my current level of experience and knowledge I think they may have purpose if planned smartly and load picked optimally…
As soon as I get sled I will try this on myself first and report here… but it is not going to be so soon
u can prepare there groin muscles with ur dym warmup and could add some band shuffles and walk. since u like single movements so much do lateral lunges etx
There are weight machines with a smooth cable feed to strengthen the groin. I don’t like the sudden grabbing effect of the side pulls with a sled.
True! But, you can replace band shuffles and walks with sled pulls… doesn’t need to be HEAVY!!!
Here are some quotes from Poliquin’s book:
Comments?
i agree with cf, injury waiting to happen.
Like I said waste of time … why even bother?
Why overload the groin? - and why overload it with a sled?
Functional?
In what sport do you move laterally under stress anyway?
And with force at the waist?
And that’s just for starters …
Strongman training is training for strong men.
Why wouldn-t you replicate smooth and gentle action with lateral sled pull too?
Here is another quote from the book