another question for Chris T

[John]

As I mentionned in an earlier thread, I’m moving away from the ascending-descending program, which wasn’t mine to begin with. My athletes have had good results with it, but recent experiences lead me to believe that it’s best not to use too many different neural influences in a single session.

That ceratinly is a real change around as your new book which was released only 2 months ago strongly encourages CAD

Will the new chapters be available by themselves?

Where does HTT fit into this change in philosphy?

Do you still see that as an effective program given your ‘new direction’?

Would you still stick with the original exercise execution or change it as per something like below?

Clean focus day
Power clean
Clean grip high pull
Back squat with pause at parrellel
Deads with superslow eccentric

If you would do that, what about retaining the first 2 exercise methods and changing the last 2 so that it would go.
week 1 as above

week 2 squat with superslow eccentric, iso deads against pins 3 x 3 positions 6 sec each position

week 3 perform as regular

This coupled with the different recovery times each week (as per original)would be a type of pendulum but also retaining the basic exercises.

Comments?

[ltruett]

@Christian_Thibaudeau

With any type of athletes I try to minimize the amount of overhead work to a few exercises per week (if that). Overhead pressing can be very hard on the shoulder girdle and cause some structural damage in the long run. Furthermore, you don’t have to be 100% specific in your strength training sessions. Push jerks and push presses would be a nice addition, but keep the volume on the low side.

How would you set up for sprinting /GPP/Conditioning sessions? Your strength program looks good. Jay Schroeder comes into mind when I looked at your program but who knows how he plans it? Do you change the exercises every other weeks to prevent adapation?

LT, CSCS

[nArKeD]

Here’s a link to christian’s latest article. It will probably clear up some things and cause you to ask a few more questions.

http://t-mag.com/nation_articles/300pend.jsp

[delldell]

CCJ- the abs you do are pretty light. If you did heavy side bends and ab pulldowns, I don’t think it’d be a good idea.

He goes over the change away from CAD in the DB thread. It’s not like you can’t do that, it just might not be optimal.

Sprinting and conditioning…this is Charlie Francis’s site you know. He might know a thing about that.

[numba56]

Dont oly lifters train this way, train every day except just different qualities? ie
Day 1
Oly’s
Day 2
Limit Strength
Day 3
Olys
Day 4
Limit
Day 5
Olys
Day 6
Limit
?
Ive been doing this appraoch with only a 4 day split. Ill see how my numbers look on monday though(snatch and power clean and jerk day) and on my squat limit day.

[delldell]

I think oly lifters train in various ways, but they definitely do oly’s and squats during the same session. Not always separated.

[CoolColJ]

@delldell

CCJ- the abs you do are pretty light. If you did heavy side bends and ab pulldowns, I don’t think it’d be a good idea.
.

You’d would be surprised how tiring the core work I do is, don’t knock it till you try it

Not only at the start of the workout but also heavy ab iso for in circuit rotation with squats and deads etc

[Christian_Thibaudeau]

@delldell

I think oly lifters train in various ways, but they definitely do oly’s and squats during the same session. Not always separated.

That’s how most elite lifters train by tradition. Is it optimal? For them I’d say yes because of their motor capacities, but I’m not sure that it’s the best way a lower level lifter (especially a natural one) should train.

[numba56]

so seperation of qualities is the way to go. Also if one were to follow a split like
Day 1
RFD
Day 2
Limit
Day 3
RFD
Day 4
Limit

On the limit days as a warm up could technique be practicied with very light weight on the oly lifts for a few singles(6-10)? with out effecting the whole idea of seperation of the qualities?

[no23]

@CoolColJ

You’d would be surprised how tiring the core work I do is, don’t knock it till you try it

Not only at the start of the workout but also heavy ab iso for in circuit rotation with squats and deads etc

I agree with you CCJ

I started doing abs at the start of my sessions because I was always so jacked at the end of my training sessions I often passed them.

I do them first now and I think it had made a major difference.

I guess it just works for me.

[John]

@no23

I agree with you CCJ

I started doing abs at the start of my sessions because I was always so jacked at the end of my training sessions I often passed them.

I do them first now and I think it had made a major difference.

I guess it just works for me.

What impact has it had on your lifts? Positive, negative or none?

[TimoH]

Chris T,

To your opinion, what are the reasons why power and limit strength work don’t mix very well?

[Christian_Thibaudeau]

@TimoH

Chris T,

To your opinion, what are the reasons why power and limit strength work don’t mix very well?

Because of the different type of neural impulses they require. Unidirectional neural training within a single session is best to stimulate maximum gains.

[CoolColJ]

@John_C-S

What impact has it had on your lifts? Positive, negative or none?

Positive!

I squat heavy for me no problems after the corework. Like I said it’s a non issue

Now when I don’t do any corework at the start I can tell how cold my core feels, it’s asleep. Really just doing warmup sets on say squats does not warmup the core. Direct corework followed by overhead work does the trick.
I got all these from Chad Touchberry, thanks man

[Paul]

Both power and limit strength are heavily dependent upon the CNS, in your opinion, does the repetitive effort method compliment or hinder either? In other words, can you train: power + repetitive efforts and limit strength + repetitive efforts?

[delldell]

I hope RE doesn’t hinder it. It’d be done afterwards anyway. That’d be a pain to have basically bodybuilding days.

[Christian_Thibaudeau]

@Paul

Both power and limit strength are heavily dependent upon the CNS, in your opinion, does the repetitive effort method compliment or hinder either? In other words, can you train: power + repetitive efforts and limit strength + repetitive efforts?

I find the following combination to work very well:

Two methods in one session

1. maximum effort concentric – repetitive effort concentric
2. maximum effort eccentric – maximum intensity isometric
3. submaximal eccentric – maximum duration isometric
4. high intensity absorption – dynamic effort concentric

Three methods in one session

1. maximum effort concentric – repetitive effort concentric – maximum duration isometric
2. maximum effort eccentric – maximum intensity isometric – submaximal eccentric
3. high intensity absorption – ballistic isometric – dynamic effort concentric

Four methods in one session

1. max effort concentric – repetitive effort concentric – max duration isometric – max intensity isometric
2. max effort eccentric – submaximal eccentric – max duration isometric – max intensity isometric
3. overspeed eccentric – high intensity absorption – ballistic isometric – dynamic effort concentric

[no23]

@John_C-S

What impact has it had on your lifts? Positive, negative or none?

Like CCJ - I lift heavy straight after core work and no negative impact -

[kyle]

But the upgraded version of my new book will include a complete 12 weeks cycle.- -

CT,

When will the upgraded version of the book be available? Will the upgraded portions of the book be sent to people who have already bought the original?

Also, when will those DVDs you were making be available?

Thanks,

Kbattis