Andre DeGrasse to Altis

Very disappointing he left a place where things have been going very well.

I take that back as he has only ever been in one place for a bit of time.

It will be interesting to see how he thrives in Phoenix.

I donā€™t think it would have hurt him to complete his education but the lure of the contract would be too tempting for most.

It should be an interesting year for the menā€™s 100 meters.

Very strange time to change coach I would think. Altiā€™s seem to have a big reputation though. They are very active on social media as well. With the progression De Grasse has made last few years though I think its a mistake.

His professional career was from 1991-1993 as lkh stated.
I read that he ruptured his soleus some time in 1992 after breaking the world indoor 60m record so missed out on the Olympics, an event he may well have won.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iNtZNZwAxc

Cason ran a 9.88w in Modesto in May of 92.
Injured himself at the 92 OLY Trials. Was POā€™d and left Coach (Smith) for Frye. A move he said he regretted.
Had he not got injured he had a great shot at the WR that year many thought.
He never did come close to the 6.41 again.
He ran several Wind aided times at the WC trials before going 9.92 at the 93 WC with a late Reaction to the Gun.
***I do remember him running in San Jose one day in 94 and then sprinting the very next day in BC Canada.
He was supposed to run at the Goodwill games but I donā€™t recall if he did run there. Relay?
Ran a 10.07 at the 96 Trials in Atlanta but I donā€™t think he did anything past that.

Andre Cason in 94

That was easy too find.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2245&dat=19940531&id=BmozAAAAIBAJ&sjid=pjIHAAAAIBAJ&pg=4145,3614738&hl=en

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1309&dat=19940531&id=ya4mAAAAIBAJ&sjid=mhMEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2735,4652912&hl=en

so yesā€¦really ended in 93 for him.

Right you are. I remember him now competing at the '96 Olympic trials. After a very impressive heat, he pulled up with what looked to be another soleus or perhaps Achilles injury in the semi final.

My mistakeā€¦I meant to write Seagrave not Frye lolā€¦A friend and I were talking about Frye the other day and his name was stuck in My head.

After '93 he left Seagrave due to irreconcilable differences & teamed up with Bobby Kersee, then Manley Waller & even Charlie for a while. Does anyone know how long he was with Charlie for?
(Apologies for going off the original topic).

Damn didnt know he was with charlie.
I always wonder about athletes who switch coaches so often.

Good article on DeGrasse. I thought leaving USC was risky but racing that much with little therapy and rest would have been even riskier.

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He raced an extraordinary 54 times last season.

ā€œHalf of that would be a lot,ā€ said McMillan, a Canadian who has coached more than 50 Olympians, both summer and winter. "Normally if you ask a sprinter how many races they want before theyā€™re going into a championship, it would be between eight and 12. His 30th race was his NCAA 100 final. Twenty-four races later, he was clearly exhausted.

ā€œIt was unbelievable he was able to run that fast (at the world championships in Beijing). Heā€™s got something (special), thereā€™s no doubt.ā€

The world 100 final was race No. 52. Races 53 and 54 were the heats and finals of the 4x100 relay, in which Canada won bronze.

ā€œHe took four weeks off and got back into pretty intense training with not a lot of therapeutic input,ā€ McMillan said. ā€œHeā€™s one of the most powerful human beings on the planet, so when you have somebody whoā€™s that powerful, and you load him that consistently over time without much therapy, the body is going to take a bit of a beating.ā€

No guarantees but I doubt he was going to race that much since he had already turned professional prior to moving to Altis-as pushed by PUMA. Typically, I would think, only collegians would have that many opportunities to run so many races-not impossible but a lot more difficult.

Go back to the discussion here about Andre last summer and see how many were sure that de Grasse was going to be cooked by the world championships. In fact, #52 was a PB, and de Grasse wasnā€™t the only one Smith-Gilbert had that ended up like that. Andreā€™s training partner, Beejay Lee, who didnā€™t score a point in NCAAs outside the relay, then went to USATF Championships against pros and missed making the US team in the 200 by 0.01. There were several like that, who improved every single race, all season.

One lesson I learned from this is donā€™t do speed endurance in training (80-150)ā€“special endurance in training and speed endurance in races only. I remember asking Charlie once what Benā€™s phase III was like, and Charlie said that it was almost all 60ā€™s, with an occasional 2X200 session to maintain (thereā€™s an old thread out there somewhere).

Yes, I remember it well. I did not agree with that-that he would have nothing left. I knew CSG had a history of having sprinters prepared for big meets. There were likely some good sprinters that donā€™t immediately come to mind even before DeeDee Trotter at UT then UCF with Scott and Freeman.

Keep in mind, however, that Ben was perhaps the most exceptionally strong sprinter there has ever been. This, combined with his preference to not perform special endurance (in the long to short context), was the dominant reason for him performing the predominance of work under the distance of speed/special endurance. In addition, he was, by in large, a 100m specialist which further supports as an absence of conventional special endurance work.

Let no one forget that Ben performed substantial volumes of special endurance in the form of split 60ā€™s. So while the continuous runs were kept in the shorter distances, the physiological adaptations were there.

Iā€™d question what percentage of elite sprinters would benefit versus suffer from no training in, at least, the speed endurance realm. If I were to bet, Iā€™d bet that no, or very little, work beyond max velocity distance would lead to more detriment than advantage when looking at the field as a whole- even considering 100m specialists.

The collegiate scenario is obviously different as the volume of competitions fulfills the speed/special endurance requirement to a far greater extent than an international competitor who is picking their own schedule.

Flashback to the first time BJ steps on the Track to practice.

CF must have been thinking-
He doesnā€™t have the Strength
nor the height lol nor the money

But does he have the Will?

Here is BJ in an interview just after the Final in 88
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nar8NXIyOFA
Talking how everything was in place and focusing on Endurance after his loss in Zurich.

DeGrasse

Hard to imagine that any of his needs will go unrecognized where he is at now.

I donā€™t recall many here writing that he will be ā€œcookedā€ by the WCs. I only remember one member saying that.
Maybe it was on another website perhaps?

Thanks for the interview link. I hadnā€™t seen that before. would have been nice had Ben further elucidated upon what he began with in stating that he did not misjudge his effort in the heats. As we all know, Charlie guided his athletes in conserving as much as possible in the heats, gradually raising tone up to the final. This is strategical information that Gatlin could have used prior to the WCs per the article I wrote for Christopher Glaeser.

I read that and BTW, I forgot to mention that I did briefly speak with Chris G. face to face for the first time on Jan. 30. I went to see Boo S. present. Very polished and solid presentation. Great jokes also.

I put this together pretty quickly just nowā€¦Iā€™ll come back to see if it needs corrections, etc.

CAN
Ben Johnson

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2002&dat=19880925&id=trQiAAAAIBAJ&sjid=67QFAAAAIBAJ&pg=3229,4585375&hl=en

Ben "I decided to run very slow heats. I chose this tactic to mislead Lewis.
This is consistent with the other interviews of his that I have read.
Him beating Lewis was his dominant thought it seemed.

BJā€™s plan was screwed up in the SF with the FS called on him.
He was clearly sprinting at a super high level even exceeding the Rome Final in it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXsPLHEu88o
Warm up area 1988
Anyone see any weights out there??? LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoKtMc8YThU
Conspiracy theorists look to the 1:30 mark and see Desai possibly faking drinking out of a bottle and offering it to Ben. Like Ato once wrote- You can only vouch for yourself eh?


Gatlin? Here is Carl in Tokyo doing the same thing but with no more BJ to worry about he wins it.
9.80w at 3 min. mark on day 1 followed up with a 9.93 in the SF. WR at the time was 9.90.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z52nuu4yCA
Carl is a legend and was probably heading to 9.8 territory himself if he didnā€™t press in the 88 Final. 91 -Remove Ben and Carl can now not have to over emphasize the beginning of his race and shift more of the work towards his strength and possibly extending it (alactic) ever so slightly.

Gatlin had Bolt on the mind as well and fell apart. I wrote about it on two other websites long ago that he would do this in a close battle. We can def discuss this a lot more at a later date.

IMO Gatlin will beat Bolt this year is my thinking right now. It will probably change over the course of the year from what I see but I doubt it. Gatlin has learned his lesson the hard way. Too bad it will be for Silver however.

What about Powell? He is another matter all together.
Whatā€™s the difference between a good hair cut and a bad hair cut?

About two weeks!
Substitute hair cut with Program/timing and in an OLY Yearā€¦Not good.
Powell doesnā€™t ever lose to anyone not named Bolt right after a Major.
Usain Bolt Asafa Powell 100m Golden League Brussels 2008
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLsLT-Yi5gg
Wind:(-1,3 m/s)

  1. Usain Bolt JAM 9.77
  2. Asafa Powell JAM 9.83

Nice post.

As for Rio, if everyone is firing on all cylinders, I realize thatā€™s a substantial ā€˜ifā€™, I would pick 1. Bolt, 2. Blake, 3. Gatlin

Some recent press on Blake: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/sport/athletics/Agent-says-Yohan-Blake-will-return-stronger-and-better-_19225631

i pick the zika virusā€¦