today
2x3x20
2x30
Great thread with some very high quality posts!
For a 400m runner, depending on the program set up, tempo would most likely be higher. If you follow KK’s format, it’s a whole different discussion that you can find in the “Fundamentals” section.
Due to facility issues recently, I have had to improvise on fitness in place of traditional tempo. I found both bike tempo and medball circuits served the goal of facilitating recovery while improving overall fitness. I think these two could be used during season as a supplement to practices and the running tempo already performed. Currently some of my athletes are not as strong as previous athletes, as previous athletes have had solid weight training backrounds, whereas this group has limited experience. I have begun to implement a medicine ball throw warm-up Ange has mentioned and is seen in GPP. The added throws, both in the fitness and warm-up sections, are a supplement for overall strength, but only as a by-product of the overall goal of that session.
Having had collegiate players work towards 12,000m weekly of tempo in our summer months during their off-season, it is not easy to get to for most. Even two days of 4000m sessions can be quite helpful with the proper progressions.
In soccer,where daily training provides mixed inputs anyway due to the technical tactical part being the ultimate goal of each session,it is easy to use daily tempo dosages as warm ups preceeding specific training,or more often as flushing activity following it.
That way even during the off season tempo sessions can rarely exceed 2000m total (2x10x100),and are very easily and willingly performed by most players, even with the total 12.000m weekly as an overall goal.
When tempo is real tempo players do not mind it at all,and prefer by far such an application compared to long runs,as they perceive it benefits them both performance and recovery wise without taxing them at all.No big deal for players used to run up to 12km per match running 1-2km of easy 100m flushing tempo intervals with 50m walks in between daily.
This is important.
Two points
- New technology allows sports scientists to give coaches a better understanding of training effects and then the ability to determine the individual needs of players (e.g. Tempo, speed etc) post training.
- The need for tempo and the added training is inversely proportional to the influence of the Sports Scientist on the training and tactical and technical program.
Both very important points for team as well as individual sports and events. I fully agree with you.
NOTHING other than the specific event (better: the contents provided by the specific event) is needed when a system is in place to manage whatever happens in between specific events!
In absence of a Sport Science Department available,Charlie Francis’ and Ivan Abadjeev’s training systems are the only means which,when realistcally appliable to performance contexts,and properly applied,guarantee consistently positive outcomes.
Tempo this week was:
1800 Tues (9x200)
2000 Thurs (mix of 100s and 200s)
Bike tempo Sat
today 2x2x20, 2x30
wasn’t feeling great today so cut it short
Do you ever take a day off or two after a day when you were not feeling great?
yes sometimes…again not as often as I should
I usually do my running (either speed work or tempo) in the morning and today I hadn’t slept well and so that’s what affected me…
If I feel good tomorrow I plan on doing tempo as usual but I might take wednesday off.
Looks good to me.
Maybe you’re just adapting.That happens when you start getting out of the half recovered half nothing zone most athletes and people who train are costantly trapped into without even being aware of it.
Ange,the following is from an interview to U.S. weightlifting coach John Broz, but while applying to the object of the thread it lays down some interesting priciples behind different training systems,which I have personally found equally effective when properly managed:
[i]“Your connective tissue is avascular and doesn’t recover as quickly as the muscles. What happens when you train every single day is that the entire system becomes fatigued, which means your muscles cannot contract hard enough to put the connective tissue in danger of injury. If you take a day or two off from training, the muscles are able to contract super hard, and the next thing you know you have an injury. I’ve talked about this for years, and one day I did exactly what I shouldn’t have. I had taken two days off completely from training and was feeling pretty good, so I decided to go heavy like I always do. I was squatting 220 kilos, and the result was that I got two partial tears in my quads and a partial tendon tear. When I train every day, I never, ever have problems like this.”
(A Few Words with Weightlifting Coach John Broz-Insight into how this accomplished athlete and coach uses Bulgarian methods to train American weightlifters - by Kim Goss, MS)[/i]
And from the same man more quotes easily found here and there:
"The body is amazing when you push it. You never know what you are capable of doing on any given day. The way you feel is a lie.
There is no such a thing as overtraining: if you can’t do something you are not in good enough shape."
I find it interesting,and true when one knows exactly what she/he is doing…What is your opinion/experience about this?
Thank you.
Finally I can post again: My keyboard went on the fritz and all I could use was my mouse…so frustrating because I couldn’t enter anything. Finally I bit the bullet and got a new one…so here we are today with me finally being able to post again.
An update on my trials.
I wasn’t signed 
but the coach recommended me to another team for trials (at a lower level) and there I did receive an offer. However, I decided it was in my best interest instead to sign for the semi-pro team where I played last spring/summer and hopefully transition from there to somewhere bigger.
I played well at the trials and was easily the best physically- was the fastest and could run forever 
I have to report to my club this week but I’ve been training pretty consistently so I feel ready. I have acquired a sled (a tire ) as well so I have been utilizing that a little bit in my training.
Yesterday morning I did 4x4x10m (each time I would do 2 reps with the sled and then 2 reps without). The sled was very light.
Then yesterday afternoon I lifted
Today I plan on just doing tempo maybe 2x10x100
Thanks for letting us know how things turned out.
I think you made a good choice to stay where you were for now and keep working as you were before.
Yes, I think I made the right choice.
I just have to be ready to perform when I show up to my team in a couple of weeks…but things are looking pretty good so I’m optimistic.
On Friday I ran in the morning. Ended up doing 4x2x30m.
That afternoon I lifted. Highlight was squatting 125kg for 3 so I’m getting a little stronger finally
My bw is about 78 kilos at the moment.
big weight room pr today
hang cleaned 91 kilos, bw still 78 kilos
It appears that I am several years late to join in on this discussion but I am highly intrigued by this comment. I understand how the CF training system is appropriate given its high/low framework and emphasis on recovery. However, I cannot wrap my head around how Ivan Abadjiev’s system would fit the given context.
Pakewi, James, Ange, or anyone else who understands the rationale, can you please explain the thought process behind this?
With all due respect for Pakewi, I disagree that Abadjeev’s system is even remotely close to being universally as beneficial as Charlie’s, and I also disagree as to the relevance of a sport science department. In addition, Abadjeev’s system exists in distinct contrast to Charlie’s in nearly every way.
For example, 11-12 years ago I had a weightlifter come live with me while I coached him. After this period he was invited to train with Abadjeev in San Francisco. During that time he conveyed to me what occurred and after a few months with Abadjeev he asked me to work with him again in preference of how I structured the workload. The common thread running through Abadjeev’s work with weightlifters is frequency (in some cases extreme), specificity, and a highly competitive training atmosphere. Very a much a ‘strongest shall survive’ environment of natural selection applied to sport.
Also worth noting, while my guys was working with Abadjeev, when Abadjeev was asked about his thoughts on any other type of athlete performing the Olympic weight lifts he stated “leave the weight lifting to weightlifters”.
As it pertains to team and combat sport, my contention is that the future of sport lies in the proper education of coaches, the unification of the factionalized modes of coaching, the elimination of S&C coaches, and the emergence of “sport engineers” who will be responsible for generating the blueprint from which all coaches and active physio therapy schedules work from. My upcoming book goes into great depth on all of this and you can also read concepts I’ve offered on social media.
Thanks James, I look forward to your book.
Interesting anecdote about your dealings with Abadjeev. Everything you mentioned about his system fits with what I know about it (mostly from watching the School of Champions documentary). Earlier in this thread, Pakewi posted the following quote from John Broz which I interpreted as implicit support for his subsequent comment about the universal applicability of Abadjeev’s system:
[i]“Your connective tissue is avascular and doesn’t recover as quickly as the muscles. What happens when you train every single day is that the entire system becomes fatigued, which means your muscles cannot contract hard enough to put the connective tissue in danger of injury. If you take a day or two off from training, the muscles are able to contract super hard, and the next thing you know you have an injury. I’ve talked about this for years, and one day I did exactly what I shouldn’t have. I had taken two days off completely from training and was feeling pretty good, so I decided to go heavy like I always do. I was squatting 220 kilos, and the result was that I got two partial tears in my quads and a partial tendon tear. When I train every day, I never, ever have problems like this.”
(A Few Words with Weightlifting Coach John Broz-Insight into how this accomplished athlete and coach uses Bulgarian methods to train American weightlifters - by Kim Goss, MS)
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What are your thoughts on this?
Sounds like he desensitized himself, and once he finally had some recovery and got some of that sensitivity back, he probably wasn’t able to handle the shock of the higher level of stimulus that was able to be achieved from more compensation.