All I said was a 20 day break will see a small drop in performance overall. I mis-read what he said about players getting into good physical condition from just 10 days of training.
Some of the most technically/tactically complex minded coaches with exceptional club facilities never see success in the sport at the top. There are great minds but never steer from the fact soccer is simple but with ill discipline, the hardest thing to do is playing simple soccer, hence the total dedication & focus needed of the players in todays world, which offers many distractions over the greats of yesteryear.
Even though the training, facilities, wages etc have moved on, unfortunately the dedication hasn’t. I see it in spots from players in some teams across the world ie Spain’s passing particularly round midfield, some defensive master classes but its all few & far between now. Ego’s & big wages have gotten in the way.
Well, I certainly wouldn’t turn my nose up at having Bjørn Dæhlie’s VO2. I could certainly see myself putting out more work, covering more ground, closing players down, making more runs etc…
Vo2 Max as other tests, is partially usefull, imo a waste of time.
Leave it to the sportlab and to the doctors.
There are much other way to analyze physical/metabolic and physiological condition/response to the training.
Just to speak, a good basic analysis woulde be include evaluation of regulation mechanism, CNS, neuromuscular system, cardiorespiratory and metabolic system.
Then a good option is try to find solutions and tools for correct out of balance situations.
(I’ve read in this thread about experience with LLLT and recovery).
no, sorry, you’re wrong…Omega Wave is a too much commercial technology in my opinion…ARP is not the only technology for recovery.
There are a lot of options, but for who has not so much experience is HARD to know!
Yes - they are merely tools, which need to be in the hands of a skilled craftsman.
Funny that Charlie - although he did endorse these sorts of products - never really had to rely on them. His skill and intellect were actually much better at resolving problems. The OmegaWave merely confirmed his beliefs. And the ARP was a poor substitute for his hands and diagnostic abilities.
Technology cannot substitute human mind, but can be a great help tools in the arsenal of everyone work in the sport field (and other areas).
Much problems born when you mix technology without practical experience!
jamirok, it was not a guess, sorry. In other threads you talked at length about OmegaWave and ARP (mostly pakewi for that).
I’d be interested if you decided to discuss a little bit more about the new hard-to-know-if-you-are-not-in-the-trenches methodology you have come up with. It would be of great interest for everybody.
Lack of context, jamirok. Technology (set of instructions --> results) can substitute human mind, depending on the context and the results you are looking for.
Maybe you can say that technology applied and developed so far in this context (sport, recovery) is not mature enough to substitute a skilled human. Maybe (this is the reason) the deveopment of sound technology is lacking because we still don’t know (quantitatively) what it’s going on. But the skilled human?
So, basically we are now saying that OmegaWave is an overpriced unessential piece of equipment?
I’m happy I did not follow the crowd (in general) when a couple of years ago it seemed that without OmegaWave you could not even think about training! I would be many 1,000$ poor, and with a piece of equipment that, it seems, does the same job of a 100$ ipod/iphone/ipad application.
I am finding that up immediately post workout, a 6 minute treatment using LLLT for lower body can reduce soreness to minimal levels. This is comparing a typical workout with and without treatment.
In small groups, this can be valuable. In large teams settings, multiple units are needed.
Jamirok,
I couldn’t agree with you more. I watch my players who certaily have lower V02 maxes than many of their counterparts run and skate circles around them. Usually high V02 max indicates to me that someone spend a lot of time on the eundurance end of training spectrum. I train mostly football and hockey, and i focus a lot on explosive speed and change of direction such as accel/decel. I believe Charlie told me the Russians had avg V02 maxes on Oly team of about 55. USA had 62-65. Who was whipping the arse off of who back then? Also, isn’t a high V02 max useless unless you have a high lactate threshold as well? Technology is nice, but it doesn’t replace experience. ESTI, Jamirok, No23 and many other have years of experience doing this. I can tell by the way my players enter the gym whether they are recovered just by demeanor, I don’t need to do a Wingate test to find out they are not recovered.
Slight exaggeration?. Unless its a technical drill in training. In hockey, soccer, football, nobody runs circles around anybody during games.
High VO2 is certainly a good quality to have & develop. Doesn’t necessarily mean your slow (even over the shorter distances). In my training, I’ve learned to balance high VO2 with fast sprinting over 30m. It can be achieved.
Just to elaborate a little on the application of technology in sport.
In particular I want to speak about two words ‘application’ and ‘enlightenment’.
The application of Technology is hugely important in sport.
Note I said ‘application’ as opposed to ‘use’. Many people use technology in sport, very few apply it. Even rarer is to find someone who applies it properly!
How many people know of coaches who have jump data, speed data, etc and never use it or apply it. It’s simply isolated data. (I won’t go into data management here)
It is ignorant to ignore technology and some mistakeningly assume the great coaches like Charlie didn’t use technology, they forget Charlie was one of the first to embrace both EMS and Omegawave in sport. In fact I know Charlie spent many hours discussing both of these technologies and what they were telling us.
But Number Two made the important point that Charlie while didn’t need it, he used it to confirm things, to support his thought process and for enlightenment. But he did use it when he had the chance, (including Omegawave), to test theories and concepts. But he embraced it for what it was.
The best coaches I know all have experience of technology and all use it to test concepts and for further enlightenment if you will.
Back to application. Application of a technology, like Omegawave means, using and applying it to the situation and continuously reassessing the results.
I don’t have time to go into it in huge detail, but this area is IMO the most important area and issue facing Team Sports at the minute.
