Serranno: Told the crowd during opening serimonies that he’s been experimenting with doing eccentrics to increase flexibility. Some thoughts were going through my mind like - this guys an MD?, I took time of work for this? I knew this 20 years ago and Im only 33, and I cant believe this guy charges over $100 an hour. Very basic stuff but serranno said he’s experimenting and it works. WOW!
Dale Buchberger: I used to have alot of respect for this guy. I have followed him around for years and have never been dissatified until…
" I dont let no one squat with externewl weight until they can do 4 sets of 100 reps - NON-STOP" . He didnt give any rest between sets protocols but I havent met too many people that can do that. My thoughts - I dont usually have my guys do 400 reps a week but this guy manages to get that from one exercise in one session. ill see if my volume prescriptions are not optimal but I dont think 400 reps for one exercise has ever been prescribed where I hang out.
There was a guy I was talking to who runs a gym and he explained that he had to recently fire a trainer because he stacked a wobbly board on top of another wobbly board. I must confess, no one in that converstaion was laughing. Thats dumb!!!
I have a gut feeling some of these strangth and conditioning coaches are making money like they used too.
A few reasons for this;
people dont part with their money so easily anymore.
theres alot of “just as good” coaches out their that get the same job done as a $150-600 coach.
Players salaries are going down, atleast in hockey. This will have a huge impact on whether they want to invest in a $150-600 S&C.
Technogoly: Photocopying of books, dvd-cd, internet, etc.
I think a few of the presenters (Chek - Rakowski - Tom Belila) told the crowd crowd to be realistic and focus on the baby-boomers, which will comprise of 97% or more of your business and is the group with the cash.
I heard it and had an opportunity to speak to him after. It was very clear that he did his homework as his work is greatly influenced by CFTS! It was good speaking with him afterwards as he reference Charlie and his work.
All in all I thought it was a good presentation. I went in expecting to see parachutes, stick drills and references to pawing the ground like so many other strength coaches that I’ve hear. So I was pleased to hear him putting out good info.
He only works on 10-60m because he only works with football and baseball players.
Regarding the chin up comment. He was speaking about them as not only being an exercise but as a test. It’s what chin ups say about the athlete because of the necessary upper body, core strength and just all around conditioning/fitness needed to alot of reps.
The reference to increasing weight or reps; was that regarding the chin ups?
What products were you referring to? I don’t recall him mentioning anything during the presentation.
If you’ve read Charlie’s stuff you didn’t miss anything, it was very basic. In fact after hearing his presentation, I thought to myself, “wow, this guy isn’t doing anything special. I should start my own site!”
I didn’t hear him mention anything about his products.
To me, he seemed like a nice guy, didn’t say he had ‘the system’ just said what he found to be true and what he does.
As far as i could see he was saying if he took two people, the one who could do more chin ups would be the person he’d guess is faster (thinking they have greater relative strength)
I understand why he only works with 10-60 metre acceslerations. I thought this being more of a track site that people would expect more in terms of what is applicable to tarck, as opposed to football / baseball.
He wasnt superstrict on form. Probably dont have to with what he’s working with.
Not 100% sure if he mentioned his products or services during his lecture but he sure did during closing serimonies (as did Chek and Staley).
Ok, I personally dont think you’ll get much out of 10+ resps in the chin up (especially with guys over 185LBS) in comparison to lower reps, haevier (extenal) weights. theres alot that can be said here but ill keep it short: I think chins with guys under around 180 or so do better with 8 to 10 reps max and heavier guys (185+) around the 4 to 6 rep range. I think to recovery that would need to take place after a gut busting 20 rep chins would ruing most other things in training, both immediatly and for the next couple of days. If you did need to condition the athlete, whatever you mean by that, would it not be better to do it in clusters ( 3 reps x 6-10 sets)? Wouldnt the rep speed fall over a certain period? What about form? where would you place this in a workout or training plan? 185LBS x 20 reps = 3600 LBS x 2-3 sets? Come on!!!
I dont agree but I would be glad to listen if somke one can tell / explain to me what Im missing.
I’m familiar with his work and it’s pretty easy to see the Poliquin/Francis/Westside influences in his program design. Just wanted to see what attendees thought of his presentation.
Thes guys were selling everything but the kitchen sink. You know these guys have been practicing their lines in the basement.
Staley was charging something like $60 US for his EDT DVD. I dont think they were moving very well.
Poliquin was promoting his 5day seminars. At $2500US everyone was dreaming they can afford it. But with an average income of $60000 CAN I dont know that many people that will do that.
Chek is a holistic practioner now. I think he may have made up another degree for his resume.
Serranno makes no money of any of the products he mentions, and if he does he’ll tell you.
Buchburger has a book, but didnt make reference to it much.
Tom Bollila has surely been to a dozen or so Anthony Robbins seminars. This guy can talk. Dont be surprised if you see this guy on infomercials soon.
I think in my experience the best / most knowledgable people in their fields were probably not the best marketers and probably dont care because they love what they do.
These people who have time to do seminars every week and travel the world, get hyperbaric Vit C injections while playing with spiders and juggling barbells on swiss balls … still manage to get time to write articles every week too …
… its no wonder they don’t get time to train anyone!!!
(I suppose they’re too busy working biceps aswell)
At times it’s kinda like a Great Big Pink Male Orgy of Egos and Testosterone … “you listen to my sales seminar while I feel imprortnat and I’ll listen to your sales seminar and make you feel importnat” etc. etc.
My internship with Charlie taught me alot about this whole field.
I 'll touch on a few key points now very briefly but I can expand on each one later.
What do you consider the difference between coaching and consulting? According to some of these guys (coaches) their responsible for all the athletes achievements. Even if they have only worked with them for 6 workouts. Thats nuts.
Strength and Conditioning coaches have to work together with the sports coach, athletic trainer, massage therapist, physiotherapist, chiro, etc. I dont think there is a whole lot of communications among these proffessionals for the most part.
But one thing that kills me is that if a goalie wins a Stanly Cup they claim to train with them and a responsible for this and that. As we take a look further, we can see an athlete consults with alot of other people , and probably more often (physio-athletic trainer, chiro).
Some people just love to tell us how great they are. Wonder why some of them are taking a supposed pay cut to present at SWIS?
I forgot to mention that all these shows off train so and so or half the guys in the NHL but they have time to hang out in different cities every week with these conferences.
Its funny that in Toronto we have all these proffesional athletes (either visiting or living here) and non-of them were invited to attend the SWIS.
At this level, most of these guys are probably getting most of their income from the products they sell, not from the actual they (supposedly) do.
This gets to the heart of the matter. In any service profession (including law and medicine) there is an upper limit to what you can earn simply through your personal services, especially if it’s a crowded field. How many athletes can someone coach full time? To make really big bucks you have to sell a product that is not limited by your personal available time (e.g., DVD, books, etc.).
YUP. passive income. But these guys show off with who they train with (which should be a secret, and with todays privacy laws-should really be a secret) no matter what length it is. And liitle mention to the other guys in the sportsmed field. The whole thing is a joke.
Some people thing their Hollywood so demand to be paid and have other perks like free food and rooms, cars, etc. (I guess theres nothing wrong with that)
Then you got guys Like Chad Ikei who comes to TO for the SWIS all the way from Scootsdale with his assistant to learn and hang out.Theirs a model citizen for our sport, and ill also put tate and Abel in that spot as well.
I guess im not so much bashing these guys about what they make$ or what they sell, I really have to question the way they pimp these athletes and try to convince everyone that the athlete owes all his success to a S&C.
Again where do you draw the line between coaching and consulting?
Does this mean the guys from 'CompleteSpeedTraining" are ahead of the curve and just cutting to the chase? How much do results really need to back up the product as far as the average joe goes?
This is some of my issues that I have with some of the younger guys (coaches) today.They get some kind of degree, attend a few seminars and all of the sudeen these guys have enough expertise to write a book.
I work 5 hours a day ( Im a trainer who does 5 separate training sessions each day). I find if I do more Im not 100% mentally ready, I fall back on other projects (yes Im also writing a book, but only as reference material for myself only-not for sale) and professional developement.
Where do these guys train all these people and still have time to write books (some of these guys have multiples), produce DVD’s, attend seminars, read books, and spend time with family and friends. BULLSHIT!
First, I doubt anyone is doing it alone, and probably a professional is penning the books and articles.
Paul Chek said he travels around the globe 2 times a year. So if your always out of the office and waiting to catch your next plane, where do you do your reasearch and write your stuff. Has to be a team of people involved, and mostlikely the superstar coach is doing f-all while the little guy does all the work with no recognition.
my 2 cents.
