ESTI I have no idea who reads or picks up bits n pieces of the lactate thread. I would really like to know. Charlie said he thought Nery Brenes (spell, apologies) might have been using the ideas but that’s only because I think he watched a TV report on how he trained a couple of years back and thought the workouts looked alike in some respects. He didn’t explain in which respects though. I just hope anyone who takes on the concepts or specific sessions meets all the success in the world.