Don’t understand your post or point?
Rick
My point is that times at a young age, as we’ve already discussed, are not good indicators of success at the senior level. Jodie Williams is currently much faster than Hannah, and is not too far off becoming a threat to the elite senior woman. I am more interested in someone running good times, regardless of age, than of running slower times at a younger age, even if those times are more impressive compared to other people of that age. The age of physical maturity makes up a huge portion of when people start running fast. It’s possible that Hannah has little maturing left to do that count benefit her performances.
Lots of things are “possible” I was stating comparable facts.
I was also stating that comparing a 14 year old with a nearly 17 year old was not a fair comparison.
Yes, Hannah may not get much faster, or yes, maybe hannah will continue to make significant gains each year…
Nobody knows for sure.
Your Donovan post made absolutely no sense at all, it was jibberish…
I get it…you don’t like the times of slower, younger runners.
you don’t have to comment on every post for the sake of the comment after you have already stated your opinion, especially ones that are complete jibberish.
I was/am excited about my daughters fellow team mate… I get it already that she may or may not get significantly faster, ok?
You preffer to think negative, good for you.
Rick
It’s obvious we don’t agree on things, but…
Best of luck to you and your daughter. Hannah is an amazing young talent and I hope to see her on a big stage in several years.
Thank you, and best of luck to you too…
Enjoy your day
Rick
Thank you James for putting it in perspective, and in a totally positive view.
I try to keep everything positive with my daughter, and yes, I need to do so even more now while I’m trying to help coach her.
She tries her best at track. I watch her and watch other kids she runs with and in practice, she always seems to put every effort she has, and even finds that little extra to give to try even harder.
Of all the sports she has played since she was young, track is the only one that really “clicked” with her.
I will never, ever forget…after the very 1st track meet that she competed in 1 1/2 years ago, in the car and on the way home she commented:
“Daddy…(then a pause)…I have finally found myself…I found what I love”
She beamed and glowed with joy…she was so happy, I almost cried…
She has been the same about track ever since that day.
That is why I have no problem doing whatever I can to give her the support to take to whatever level she can or wants.
Since then, she has been so interested in all aspects…she goes straight to the track articles online…she checks up on Allyson Felix and her other track “idols”. Reads her running mags etc.
I do worry about one aspect of her…she quit softball and soccer to try track…she had been on teams with a majority of players who didn’t want to put out the effort, for a couple years in both sports, and she just got tired of being the only one trying…
That is what caused her to originally sign up for track, that, and she loved running in all the sports more than actually playing the sports…
She played Basketball the past 2 years and enjoyed it, but not alot…she wants to WRESTLE this year instead of basketball…at first I didn’t know how to take that…then I asked some questions and found it’s girls only. So, maybe it will be good for her…just felt strange when she first told me.
She doens’t want to do a fall sport…cross country, softball and volleyball are her choices…she just wants to keep working out for track until wrestling starts…so I guess that is the game plan for now.
Again, thank you for the great perspective you have!
Rick
:rolleyes:
Relax, the winking smiley at the end of my post suggested my post was tongue in cheek.
But if you are going to be picky, JW did her times in 05/2010, when she was 16.6666667 yrs old.
It means he thinks that everybody in positions 2-8 in the 1996 Atlanta Olympics were faster than the winner, Donovan Bailey, was at aged 18.
Yawn
Would like to see this same girl when she’s about 25, but by then she most likely will have quit the sport.
Met a few girls like this, they run good times so their coaches and parents run them even harder so by the time they are 18 they hate the sport and quit.
I’m sure we all know why that happens.:rolleyes:
200m is pretty long for an 8th grader, in my humble opinion.
I don’t know man, the Jamaicans seem to incorporate running into their lives, and not just competition (as told to me), where as over here in America, parents and coaches just throw their kids into race after race with little or no regards to complete preparation, regeneration and basic nutrition, so at the end of the day, by the time a Jamaican is about 18-20 they are just bullet proof, seasoned and have a healthy approach to competing.
Also, it’s a blunder to just copy what others do not fully understanding the program as a whole. Many distance runners do this today by trying to duplicate what they can learn from the runners in North Africa but it’s mistake.
I’m confused…by what so many of you are posting…that there is no control of how fast you will be…that pretty much once you’re “mature” that is what it is.
If that is true, then please what the hell is the purpose of this forum and what good would it do to follow Charlies training if you are so “doomed”
This really makes no sense to me?
So, did I just waste $200 on training materials for my daughters future training?
Is it a waste for anyone to buy these materials???
Rick
My though is that they quality of coaching they receive gets worse when they go to college, but without knowing full details, I’m can’t be 100% sure.
I don’t understand the negative, disrespectfull (“yawn”) comments from your so called “experience”…
I"m not saying I’m an expert myself, but I will comment after reading some of your early threads and posts, it appears your “experience” doesn’t warrant the “yawn”…
What do you know about this person?
What do you know about her father, Coach Mike?
What do you know about how she trains?
You know nothing about her, or her training…but yet you “Met a few girls like this”
From all this negative input, why would anyone care to try to make it to the elite level? It actually makes me want to go elsewhere, even though I know that Charlies training is the best there is…
For your information…Hannah trains the same as the rest of the team…about 1 1/2 hours every Saturday/Monday/Wednesday
These are not heavy workouts, mostly spent stretching, drills and progressive sprints up to 50 meters, running hills and stairs…training and amounts are dependent on age.
During the summer season UCLA’s sprinting coach, Tony Veney makes visits and gives training also.
Coach Veney is Mike Cunliffes mentor, and Mike has learned much of what he knows from him.
Coach Mike is very strict on how much anyone trains or competes…he is always preaching “less is more”…
I even recieved a couple lectures for allowing my daughter to compete when she had a small pain in her leg…“This is not Football, it’s not a contact sport! If you hurt, you don’t run!”
What was funny about that comment from coach mike, is after my daughter was able to run, in her first race, she thought runners were catching her at the finish line, so she leaned forward…but too far, lost her balance and landed very hard, flat on her stomach/face…
I ran over to her, helped her up…and the first thing she said to me, laughing…was:
“I thought Coach Mike said this wasn’t a contact sport?”
We all got a good laugh …and she was happy that when she fell, she at least fell across the finish line, even though her face turned black and blue, she had “raspberries” on her stomach, sides, and legs…she proudly wore her “battle wounds”… he he
Rick
Rick, you’re daughter seems to be an extraordinary young woman giving you much to be proud about. I hope her coach is aware of the caliber of person he has in her. Please convey my best wishes to her.
On another note, I will clarify what some of the others are referring to in so far as their lack of enthusiasm regarding Hannah’s results.
The school of thought, which originated in former USSR and eastern bloc Europe, that a youngsters results aren’t too much to get impressed by, or hopeful over, is rooted in the fact that the majority of the time the results are so far off the Olympic world bests that they don’t really matter.
This is because those who show some talent relative to their young peers and specialize too soon, along with over intensify/volumize their efforts, often fail to achieve the the same results at the level that counts with respect to Olympic ambitions.
This is the big distinction between what constituted the former Soviet bloc, and current China, and what we’re familiar with here in North America, and the west in general.
The Soviet era yielded East against West; athletes as a political weapon.
Immeasurable resources were directed towards creating multiple sport science subdivisions, coaching education, talent identification, research and development and so on specific to the biodynamic and bioenergetic structure of all Olympic disciplines.
The general attitude and pressure’s impressed upon the athletes was deeply rooted in their representing their Nation and in certain Eastern bloc countries, and certainly the current China, anything short of a gold medal was viewed as a disgraceful and shameful effort and subsequent reflection upon that nation.
Alternatively, over here, most of the population isn’t even aware of many Olympic disciplines and westerns tend to celebrate the fact that someone is even participating in the Olympics; whether or not they can actually compete at the world level coming in at a very distant second because they’ll be cheered on regardless.
The Soviets didn’t even stress true ‘competition’ until the athletes:
1st- showed a predisposition for high results in that particular discipline
2nd- were performing at the level that began to approach national/Olympic qualifying standards
This is why competition and specialization over there began at distinct ages which corresponded to success in different disciplines (ergo gymnastics specialization occurred the earliest due to the fact that young teens can win gold at the Olympic level whereas T&F events weren’t specialized until much later because the medalists are in their 20s)
Over here, ‘selection’ is as pedestrian as it gets. Morphobiomechanics isn’t even an available skill set to coaches at the developmental level and as a result SO MANY athletes are incorrectly selected for various sports; and then we glamorize youth competition and force early specialization to boot. It’s a disaster.
So well meaning yet uninformed parents and coaches alike are misguidedly, relative to Olympic potential, enthusiastic about youngsters who demonstrate excellence, not relative to the Olympic standard, but relative to their young peers.
So while the youths participation and results are emotionally gratifying to coaches and parents- they often mean nothing relative to their likelihood of standing on the podium at the Olympics in the future.
The issue is deeply rooted in psycho-social factors as well as the obvious physical preparatory ones.
It really comes down to the fact that Americans are wreckless, and in my view borderline criminal, with their efforts to glamorize youth competition and force early specialization.
I suspect that much of what you are seeing exchanged here in this thread is related to the fact that while Hannah’s results are exceptional relative to her peer group- there is not enough concrete evidence to support the notion that she may end up being an Olympic champion.
Those that are unimpressed by her current abilities are clearly of the mind that it doesn’t matter unless it strongly correlates to eventual world class results at the highest levels of competition.
My thoughts are that Hannah is an exceptional young talent and it would behoove her to stay the course in a fashion consistent with long term thinking.
James you are a magician with words and your ability to clearly explain what people like myself were thinking but unable to turn into such coherent text, is astounding. Of course, your amassed knowledge and expertise on this subject helps :).
Oh, I’m sorry, I did not mean to come off negative, but at the same time don’t get mad at me because I refuse to jump on your little bandwagon.
And I do have experience in sprinting (I’m an athlete not a coach which is why I don’t know that much!), I was a medalist in the Nike Indoor classic for the 400 meters (I ran against the likes of Shomari Mckenzie and others who later quit). So until your little girl does AT LEAST THAT, then I feel I have room to speak. Once she goes further then that I will shut up.
I wish you the best, and I hope to be middle aged and be able to watch these girls run when they are adults; if they make it that far (and I hope they do). But I’m telling you, many of the girls wind up pregnant, or others quit from being ran into the ground.
Your entire post was excellent, but I had to highlight the above.
From the descriptions of the training (3 sessions per week, low volume), it seems to me that her father/coach is being very sensible and the likelihood of her burning out (mentally, emotionally, physically) is low compared to most youth stars.