Mike Barwis - "Barwis Methods"

In regards to bad S&C coaches, I think James Smith explained the issue best; he said: “due to the large talent pool in America, it’s much easier to recruit the best then to actually take the time to develop whoever you get.”

So really, the situation is were the management of American sports itself does not bring out the best in American Coaches (or Athletes). Now if coaches had to hang onto their athletes for 10 years+, it’s possible that would encourage coaches to think more of the development of the sport then personal gain.

Well put. Im listening to podcasts right now on college and pro S&C coaches now and they all sound the same. They all sound like they use that stupid HIT system. 1 said they do a workout twice a week in season for about 20 mins on tues and thurs. Another was talking about there testing and admitted that there test wasnt the best.

Don’t be mad because you guys are making 10%of what Barwis are making. I know how you guys are thinking “I’m a better coach then this ass hole”.

Highlander

I’m not trying to defend all college S&C coaches, but you specifically mentioned in season workouts that were only 2 mnutes in length, 2x a week.
While I’m sure there might be a better way to do things, many football coaches are completely oblivious to the physical demands of their own sport, as James points out so often. There are quite a number of S&C college coaches who have absolutely no say in the amount of time that they get with the athletes, particularly in season.
When you factor in the NCAA’s 20 hour rule, and in-house compliance people that can’t wait to self report the football program, I can see how some S&C coaches may only get 20 minutes of actual strength training 2x week in season.
Just food for thought…

Oh I totally understand that there may only be 20 min twice a week expecially in college but it was a nfl strength coach who said that. Thats what kinda amazes me. Granted it was in season but I know for a fact that other teams do way more than just 20 min twice a week.

How much more time do you need?

Mon: Main strength training session (block cleans, squats, bench press, pullups, hyper complex)

Wed: Secondary strength training session (block snatch, db floor press, db row, arm/shoulder circuit)

Can’t forget the head sport coaches role in what goes down, especially in football.

I know of 2 NFL teams who’s head coach has say about what the S&C does. I’m sure same in many colleges

Ok not to start a arguement but you cannot be serious about us being jealous of barwis. My partners and I know athletes who train under this fool and trust me none of them cant stand his workouts. Unfortunately alot of strength coaches get there position by the who you know system. I understand thats how the world works but still S&C is pretty much common sense and yeah this fool has none! His system has gotten more kids hurt more than ever at the beloved U of Mich. I spoke to Mike Gittelson privately a few weeks ago and he even admitted that he was a moron under his breathe. This is coming from a man who has a nice pension coming from U of M and is working for Rodgers equipment going across the country given speeches.

What if they win the Big 10 this year?

Cause Tate Forcier is a God! :smiley:

RB
Yes, I too keep it simple with usually less than 5-6 exercises in season. However, the list of exercises you posted allows for only 4 minutes each per exercise. In 20 minutes of time, an athlete would have to do an extremely fast circuit-style lift, and that doesn’t even account for a warm up. In our weight room set up, I need more time than 20 minutes…I personally prefer longer rest intervals between sets, but there’s many ways to accomplish things. If you put a gun to my head, I’d like 45 minutes for each athlete;)

I’m certain of how I consider a coach to be qualified, or not, and to what degree, even amidst the complexity of team sport preparation and all the factors that determine the outcome of game day.

Regarding the physical preparation coach, these are the factors which must, in my view, be judged as they are common to all coaches regardless of what level they coach at and any other conceivable factors, with the caveats that the player does not participate in any other sports and remains under the coaches supervision during the off-season:

  • how healthy do the players remain during the off-season and what are the nature of the injuries, if any
  • how does the coach rationalize their training program, as well as the player’s improved physical condition, in relation to the biodynamic and bioenergetic structure of the player’s positional demands within the tactical and philosophical structure of their respective coordinators
  • to what degree is the training individualized and how
  • how is the the training monitored
  • how is workload vs recovery managed and accounted for in the program
  • what is the coaches understanding of the training effect, and related stress, of the means they integrate into the program
  • regarding ‘testing’, to what degree does the test activity/activities dynamically correspond to the positional-tactical-philosophical biodynamc/bioenegetic structure

It is a mistake to form a direct correlation between wins and losses and the qualification level of the physical preparation coach because there are highly qualified physical preparation coaches who have endured losing seasons and absolutely incompetent, in my view, physical preparation coaches who have been part of championships.

The win/loss columns are affected by a great deal of factors outside of the control of the physical preparation coach; however, the criteria I outlined above are not.

I agree with everything you are saying, remember my loads are lighter which will allow for less rest time between sets.

Block cleans 4x3x75%
Squats+hyper complex 3x2x70%+3x8
Bench press+Pullups 3x3x75%+3x8

OR:
Block cleans
Squats+Bench press
Hyper complex+Pullups

The only way they win the big ten is if ohio state, penn state, wisconsin, Iowa, and michigan state all go the big east or conference usa

Don’t be surprise, with another class coming into the big house I wouldn’t be surprise if Michigan is near the top (osu, iowa, michigan)…

Forcier suck, they should play the other qb. Did they bring in more qb’s this year?

I was being sarcastic of course!

One QB recruit was in one of the all-star games. I think an injury caused him to play poorly last part of season. 6"5, athletic as heck, and can throw and run well. Who knows, he may end up play WR.

Exactly. So if they win it will be despite Barwis and because of recruiting.

Have you ever coached or played at the NCAA level? It’s a team effort on all levels, even teams with shitty SC’s are still important because something is better then nothing.

Everyone does something…so, even shitty S&C can be a part of a success…but still suck.