Interview with Tudor Bompa

Hey! Joel’s starts weren’t too bad… I’ve been looking at the footage and he was out second after me (i’m a good starter). The big difference was his front side mechanics in the second half… he runs a bit like Asafa! My backside mechanics are too prominant and I can’t maintain very well… but then I’m a jumper and find the last 40 difficult.

I really didn’t expect that someone else in the race would have done contrast 7-10 days out… and we both got PB’s… which adds even more support to the power of this training method.

Good luck at the U23’s… my B’day is before Dec 31st so I can’t go:(:frowning:

How many 10 day tapers are you following this competition season? Just the one? Isn’t this risky if the conditions aren’t perfect at this particular race?

Why 2 lifting sessions? Wont you get overloaded? Do you feel a tempo session wont help you (just to loosen up and get some blood flow to the thighs) on monday after the race?

One last question :slight_smile: Instead of racing distances in training why not something like 60-80-120 on wednesday and on sunday 60-80 or one hard 120 after the contrast? Just asking b/c I hate to use racing distances training. Mentally I feel if I go into a meet not knowing my time exactly for my distances I feel less stress. If I go in saying I just ran 11.xx in practice so I know it should be 11.xx in a race then if I dont get the time I wanted I get bummed out. On the other hand if I go in knowing my training times have been improving over the distances I use in training I just go in feeling confident b/c my prep has been going well… I know it sounds the same or maybe even crazy :slight_smile: but that’s just my feel on training distances…

There are also those though who really want to reguraly have drills of competitive distances in their training -it depends on the athlete’s personality, I guess, among other factors. There have been groups using those drills Only, for example.

yeah your start was good was ahead at 40, i noticed your front side was nt as good, but didnt realise it was you, looked to be your hip position though perhaps stronger core maybe? esp abs, thats where we have worked alot.

The vid on youtube?

Charlie said to just train normally and use the 10 day taper as the final hit, so I’m just training normally. The weights are maintenance at this point and I’ve removed squats with the contrast workout. I’ll kill the weights entirely the last 2 weeks or so.

Now, John Smith wouldn’t be “training” at all at this point–nothing more than 6X80 submax and starts/drills, somewhat like what Nikoluski mentioned above. But, when I started with the contrast workouts, I cut the volume way back to avoid injury and didn’t get in any training to consolidate gains and set up something to taper off of. With the high stress of the contrast workout, the training volume does have to be cut down, but now that I can do the workouts more or less normally, I’m getting in that training phase, and I’ll be cutting down the workload to more of a comp load after I’ve had around 3 weeks of “training” as Charlie said somewhere above.

Next year, of course, I’ll have this training in the last few weeks of SPP2 and my training during comp will be as John Smith has it.

One last question :slight_smile: Instead of racing distances in training why not something like 60-80-120 on wednesday and on sunday 60-80 or one hard 120 after the contrast? Just asking b/c I hate to use racing distances training. Mentally I feel if I go into a meet not knowing my time exactly for my distances I feel less stress. If I go in saying I just ran 11.xx in practice so I know it should be 11.xx in a race then if I dont get the time I wanted I get bummed out. On the other hand if I go in knowing my training times have been improving over the distances I use in training I just go in feeling confident b/c my prep has been going well… I know it sounds the same or maybe even crazy :slight_smile: but that’s just my feel on training distances…

There’s a section in one of Verkhoshansky’s papers where the prof mentions that after you’ve done your SPP-type work, you can still improve by doing the competition distance in training or doing competition-style training (in one of the papers he has short-long this way). Obviously, you can’t do the race distance in training if your competition distance is 10000 meters, but you can with 100 or 200, and Clyde Hart has this for 400 (actually 320 for Clyde). I start in the beginning of SPP2 with 2X3X80 (same parameters Charlie gave for Ben) and through the phase move this up to 100, then a single 120 effort–classical short to long, I think.

So in the 2nd half of a SPP I have competition distances in training. It might only be one rep in a speed workout (5X50+100 or 2X40+2X30OS+100) but it’s in there. Notice all the sessions of 3X60 or 4X60 that Charlie has in his short-long SPP1.

Where are the triple extensor muscles? I looked on a anatomy online website but I don’t see the muscle listed.

For sprinting and any sports that desire quickness, maximum speed and agility, the triple extensor muscles – gastrocnemius and soleus, quadriceps, and gluteus maximus – are determinant for ultimate performance.

Hmm I have not tried it in practice by my self but I think 1 session a week of a “practice meet” or a competive practice would not be a bad idea. Here in westchester county NY were I live they have mini meets every tuesday night. Maybe I will give your idea a try…

Thanks again. This has been a great thread.

Remember cheater you now qualify for the nationals in 2 weeks

Lkh was wondering whether the performance benefits of contrast last longer i believe… so you continue getting pr’s. Well a-j’s athlete, Joel Fearon, pr’d at 10.60 7days from contrast. Then this weekend he pr’d at 10.48 14 days from contrast…

Very true think we timed his peak spot on lol however of couse he now has senior nations in 2 weeks so its what to do to move forward from here

What do you need to do? Wasn’t the new PB a contrast of sorts? How many races were run around the date of the 10,48 and what were they?

What contrast training is this, do you know? Is it simply a case of drills with and without resistance, since no over-speed work is involved?

Was the PB you got after the first OS session in a one off race? And then 3 weeks of normal training have followed?

Any recent update on your racing? Thanks!

He got senior nationals in 2 weeks, he has raced last 2 weekends running 10.67 and 10.60 to win regional champs this weekend ran 10.61 in heat then 10.48 to finish 4th 4 hundredths from a medal lol

There is also a very recent interview with Tudor Bompa at http://www.thetrainingtalk.com if anyone is interested.

This is the LSU training week that Tamfb linked well up in this thread:

http://www.trackshark.com/features/images/2008/LSU%20Sprints-Hurdles%20Weekly%20Workout.pdf

This was buried in the Trackshark article, so unless you read the whole thread carefully, you would miss it. The contrast training listed (remember, it was November) was 5X50 resisted, followed by 5X20 blocks, so no overspeed here, but it looks like they use the basic concept for the entire season.

Was the PB you got after the first OS session in a one off race? And then 3 weeks of normal training have followed?

I was doing this as the cutdown to racing as Charlie shows in the SPP download. Through the SPP, I went from ~1500m/wk HI at the beginning, declining down to 500m or in the last 2 weeks. I did 2 contrast workouts, and the second was VERY fast, so thinking about Charlie’s 10-day rule, I did 6 days of NOTHING, then had the PR. The race that followed by 8 days didn’t work out for another PR due to a couple of false starts (the first of these was me).

Any recent update on your racing? Thanks!

Since the second race following the PR didn’t work out, I’m doing what Charlie said about going back to training for a few weeks, so I’m really doing Phase III per CFTS right now. I’ve had three contrast workouts (all 2X40m uphill, 2X30 flying downhill, 1X90-100m flat) and each has been faster, with a 4th to come this week.

What I’ve noticed matches almost perfectly with the UK results mentioned above. You are NOT recovered in a true peak sense after 1 week. Also, it seems that starts are compromised–at least they feel compromised–which might be CNS/explosiveness effects of not being recovered, or it might be the effect of not doing much accel while doing the contrast workouts (and you have to cut the overall workload because the stress is so great).

Racing for Phase III doesn’t start for a couple of weeks and basically runs all summer.

This has been a very enlightening and interesting thread. From the looks of it, the primary effect of the contrast training is on MaxV and as a result I wouldn’t think it would be nearly as beneficial for a football player or other team sport athlete. While it would increase the speed reserve, most FB players have limited to no exposure to MaxV in their training and would probably benefit more from flying 20’s or something similar. However the concept itself is intriguing and I’ve even seen some people substitute the overspeed section with bounding (I think tamfb mentioned this), perhaps for safety reasons.

I suppose you could modify the workout to focus on acceleration by simply shortening the distances and substituting overspeed downhill starts for the fly work. Thoughts?

Thanks for the detailed reply!

So, were the first two contrast workouts During or After the two-week cutdown from Charlie’s SPP?

About the PB, I meant to ask if the first race was a meeting or a championship, but the mentioning of the 2nd race 8 days after is a valuable input, too!

Just to clarify, some details of your current Phase III?

Also, since Charlie had suggested you go back to some training for 3-4 weeks, have the contrast workouts mentioned above come on a weekly basis?

Overall, it may be a preparedness issue, as mentioned by James a few posts back.

Good luck! Let us know how it goes, please!

Verkhoshansky gives the time to maximum potentiation for the second activity at ~5 minutes.

Sorry to have to repeat myself, but I don’t fully understand the implementation of this training. If the potentiation lasts only a few to 5 minutes, won’t only the first overspeed rep receive this benefit unless you alternate the resisted and unresisted/assisted reps, rep for rep? In other words, if you do 5x50 resisted, rest a few minutes and then start the 5x20 blocks, won’t only the first 5x20 benefit from potentiation effects?

As far as definition of terms, doesn’t contrast apply when the two activities are alternated rep for rep, and complex training apply when the two activities are conducted in succession during the same training session?