What basis is there for these statements? How do you know it doesn’t occur MORE readily in untrained subjects? Fogelson is correct to ask for the ‘research’ that some people seem to be relying on. While I would also prefer peer reviewed research, I realize such studies are not always available. But at a minimum, I would appreciate the opportunity to review the studies that others are refering to, in order to determine in my own mind whether what’s being refered to are actually insinuations, beliefs, or actual measured results of a controlled study. There’s a big difference in what a scientist believes to be true and what he can demonstrate to be true through a properly designed and controlled study.