Yeah iron.
My experience. Tend to recommend more to the females as the guys love red meat and the girls don’t as much. I don’t force it on them, I suggest my reasoning behind it to them and parents if necessary.
I have no qualification. I have coached a no-land animal eater with no problems.
If you want a deep and meaningful answer or research or training as an answer - unlikely to get it from me.
from a Harvard doctor regarding a study done by Cancer society. They tried to show a related link between consumption and cancer. While they say thier data supports it, things look a little dodgy. Here is a small excerpt where even the researchers admit the experiment may not have been viable. I don’t go one way or the other, I just find it all very interesting.
healthier counterparts.
“[The results] could be other factors that we did not adequately adjust for,” says lead author Dr. Rashmi Sinha, senior investigator at the National Cancer Institute, “but we tried to as much as possible.”
The study’s findings were met with resistance from industry groups, including the National Pork Board and National Cattlemen’s Beef Association.
Dietitian Ceci Snyder said in a statement for the Pork Board that the study “attempts to indict all red meat consumption by looking at extremes in meat consumption, as opposed to what most Americans eat.”
Dr. Mozaffarian also notes that there’s more research to be done, particularly since the findings had an interesting quirk: Cardiovascular disease and cancer were not the most common causes of death among those who ate high amounts of meat. Mozaffarian says this may hint at other underlying causes for the high mortality rates among meat eaters.
Cutting Back
Love the Ketosis Diet
High Vegie and salad, low to medium fruits. Use enough to keep you in trace to medium ketosis.
Use of olive oils and such
High levels of Meat - Fresh meat, low animal fat where possible.
Fantastic for De-toxing and releasing energy
Best “diet” ever
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Don’t follow. 
It’s odd, but some people get solid results using keto. I personally don’t like it too much. The key is to control how much you are eating and the ratio. I think Lyle is an expert on the subject seeing as he wrote an entire book on the subject. It’s funny when Joe public eats keto and they just stuff their face with crap. The first law of thermodynamic still applies. It reminds me of all the bodybuilders I know who tell me they eat 7000 calories a day, yet weigh 220 lbs. I ask what their macros look like and they say “350g of protein, 400g carbs, and 100g fat”. I do the math and I am like guy, thats only 3900, where is the other 3100 coming from. I am like unless you are eating another 750+g of carb, I fail to see how this adds up. Like some weird badge of honor.
My Keto program was helped created by a Top level Naturapath that i know.
IT’s fairly involved.
I know what you mean by People butchering the Keto with Crap.
Re-RaceRadio - A guy i put on the Keto last yr - he had his blood tested under microscope, and was found to be very Toxic and in bad health.
3 months later, Following our Keto, and having some Herbs also - blood re-tested and only very small traces of Toxic in his blood profile and now in great health. - That’s just one example. My Naturapath has fistfulls of examples.
I cannot anymore follow Keto - due to my training levels i need many more Carbs than Keto allows. I’m only carrying about 3kg of Fat overall. Keto strips fat off me like a Furness.
I have also seen people who call themself Healthy because they are Vego. haha, they are NOT vego, I call them Cake’a’terians. They are sick and in bad health very often.
I honestly cannot remember the last time i was sick for longer than 24hrs. It’s been many yrs. Eat Natural good foods for a good 80% of the time, and you have nothing to worry about.
Bold, well said. I know many vegans and 80% are overweight bordering on obese. There is a lot of studies showing just how bad fructose can be for the body. I believe anything over 100g/day will start to pack fat on most people. To be a good vegan, you must be very diligent about mixing your protein sources to get the right amino acid profiles. Yeah, keto brings down fat rapidly. Pretty simple science, but poor choice for high functioning athletes. More for the bodybuilder types. Lyle has had some really good articles regarding keto. Very smart guy. I personally like a Paleo type diet, nuts, berries, good fats, little grains, lots of lean protein. Funny how many people bash keto, yet many who eat it have much better lipid profiles after 2-3 months on it.
I wonder if diet effects the ability/efficiency of nerve impulses of the peripheral/central nervous systems?.
What’s a good sprinter diet for someone who is fairly blood sugar / carbohydrate sensitive?
Also, some vegetarian foods can be really useful. Tempeh is a good protein source, and it is totally unprocessed (unless you consider fermentation processing), as well as easy to cook and way less expensive than organic meats, so I use it once a week or so.
Slow,
I think many vegan foods are excellent. I personally feel that athletes need to eat animal protein, but that is just my opinion. I think you need to adjust your diet so that you eat enough carbs to recuperate properly, yet not so many that you start putting on fat. It’s just a constant refinement. Protein, essential fats, and the rightamount of carbohydrates at the proper time. Mostly am and post workout use something fast acting. Maltodextrin, Vitargo, may be good choices. If you feel insuling or carb sensitive, use more low glycemic choices.
People keep recommending it but without reason?.
There are studies which link meat to tumour growth.
So why recommend it?. You get cancer, are you still going to keep eating it, hoping the chemo does the job?.
Incidentally, some fresh fish has the opposite effect & increases longevity. Many centenarians have been keen advocates of eating fresh fish. Is that the way to go?.
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You also hear that red wine is good for you, then bad for you. Same as chocolate.
What about GMO (Genetically Modified) food?
What about food that has used hormone and antibiotics in it?
I am not pro meat or anti meat.
What do you recommend people should eat?
haha - Meat Bashers.
I was Vego for about 7yrs during my 20’s. I would never go back. It really held my training back without doubt.
Some people due to their Ancestors, can tolerate a high Vego diet and thrive on it. But like Speedcoach said - It’s very complicated and requires a high attention to detail to get the right amino acid profiles each and every day - Esp for Athletes
Daily i help people get their life back in order, lose Fat and fight the Nutrition nightmare.
The problem is NOT real meat.
There are hundreds of studies linking tumors with environment, electromegnetism, pollution, ORAL SEX on women, metals, dental reconstructions, radiations, radiowaves, and practically anything…
Some interesting studies show it from an Hystorical perspective…no tumor in a statistically significative quantity until last century…and I guess no many vegans before 1930s…when you cure almost all other deseases, you have to die for something…the longer you live, the higher the % of tumor will be, statistically in a population
Oh god! I forgot to list that; HPV and the links to cancer.
“Sexual contact may be the means by which head and neck cancer patients are exposed to human papillomavirus (HPV)”.
It does, specifically hydration level, as water has very little electrical resistance.
I recommend nothing. I said it is my BELIEF that athletes need to eat animal protein. By the way, a fish qualifies as an animal. I have nothing against vegans but when I played college football, I was much stronger when I ate red meat. When I ate equivalent amounts of chicken or fish, I did not achieve the same levels. I believe it was higher creatine content in red meat. As for tumors, as has been stated ad nauseum in this thread, there is ZERO concrete evidence that links animal protein to cancer. NONE. Please find one verifiable study that absolutely links it to cancer. Race, you have your own belief system as I do mine. I don not try to bring people to my way of doing things, I just state what I do and believe. I do not however, try to bolster my position with anecdotal science. There are a host of factors in cancer development, many far too complex for 99% of us on this forum to grasp. I know 3 professors who do cancer research and it is amazing how complex the issue truly is. It isn’t so simple as “just don’t eat red meat”.
Some thoughts on points raised in this thread
-Correlation does not equal causation. Without a tightly controlled study accounting for all other variables, trying to imply more than a casual relationship between two variables is misleading and irresponsible. The studies posted on red meat show no more than a relationship-not one thing causing the another.
-Media often does a crappy job of reporting science-get it from the source.
-Consider confounding variables-could it be that people that eat more red meat, eat more food in general, have a poor diet, don’t exercise etc. As I alluded to in the link I posted there are hundreds of lifestyle factors linked to cancer.
-I highly recommend the book “Bad Science” by Ben Goldacre for anyone looking for an understanding of the scientific process and common pitfalls the masses fall in to.
-Critical thinking/interpretation of the scientific method should be taught in schools.
-Getting a little off topic, the nutrition market is worth a lot of money. That’s why there’s so much bullshit out there. Consumers fall for the marketing despite a lack of science to back it up. A self imposed tax on scientific ignorance. Guys like Lyle and Alan Aragon are a breath of fresh air for their sound evidence based approaches.
AJP, that was a beautiful and concise summary of the problem with a lot of studies, even done in the academic arena. Always be leery of who sourced the study grant. It is always on any true study.