WTF is that…what do they try to see how many drills they can put together for one workout
I was trying to explain that this wasn’t a good program. No wonder why his hamstrings took a crap. I am surprised it didn’t happen sooner.
The problem with this type of training arrangement is that there is so much crap, you can’t diagnose any specific problem.
Let me follow up with Day 4 .
Hospital.
Wow, where to start with all of that?! Training to failure?! So does the “coach” in question have any idea about the lifting skill of the athlete in question from which to prescribe lifts they will train to failure? I love the 1-2 minute rests-so one set can be okay and then it’s downhill from there.
I think they need more volume :rolleyes:.
As long as you tell people to do everything explosively everything will be okay.
So they are doing a mile run then sprints? Did I read that correctly?
Pull-ups wide reverse grip? Does that mean wide grip chin-ups?
This is the train everything poorly today program and repeat tomorrow.
What the holy hell kind of program is that? Wow.
This is quite something - the following all takes place on day 2. I have cut out some of the exercises as they occlude just how bad it is.
2x6 each side - Basically doing a deep squat with a long lateral side lunge while ducking under hurdle.
Hang Jump Shrug 3 x 5
Front Squat 3 x 3
Dumbell Split Squat 2 x 4ech leg
Hang Snatch 3 x 5
Platform jumps 1 x 8
Vertical jumps 1 x 8
Box Jumps 1 x 10
Vertical Jumps 1 x 12
Long jumps 1 x 8
Mile run under 6.30 min
10 yard sprints - x8 (rest 20 secs between)
20 yard sprints - x6 (rest 30 secs between)
40 yard sprints - x5 (rest 40 secs between)
100 yard sprints - x3 (rest one minute between)
5 min cool down jog
So to make sure I’ve got this right, we do 24 deep moving ducking squats, then a bunch of heavy lower body weights, then a bunch of plyometrics, then a reasonably fast mile run, then a total of 700 yards “sprinting” with basically no rest whatsoever. Oh,
and don’t forget the 5min cool down job.
Day 3 is just as good. I added it up (had some difficulty understanding the exact distance). There are roughly 2000 yards of “sprinting” on that day, with basically no rest. Good stuff!
That coach should be put in jail. Seriously he is robbing that athlete of a healthy career
What drives me crazy is that he obviously trained and played his way to USHL and under our program, he was never injured. Never missed one game or practice. Now in one summer, trashes both hamstrings. It pisses me off because I was at his grad party and his Dad who loved everything I did before says " You know Dave, his training is all about speed now. Thats the way the game is going" I was thinking, he must have been fast enough to get signed by the team, and he wasn’t injured. Now I get the job of doing ART, stim, and deep tissue trying to get him healthy. What can you do?
I agree. I would punch him in the F’ing mouth if I could. I would love to ask him his rationale behind his program. It is the old throw a pile of shit at the wall and see what sticks. He is not a good coach, but he must be better than me because he works for a USHL team. Haha.
Sounds like someone sold the dad a bill of goods of how the kid needed to be trained without the experience(of the dad) from which to assess what is necessary in achieving that speed development.
In what way is that training going to accomplish his development of speed that his dad talks about? He likely does not enough to make such an evaluation.
I guess you are not in position to train the kid anymore but I wonder if it would be any use contacting the dad to let him know about the problems with the crap you have posted here.
It would unfortunately fall on deaf ears. It seems as though because someone is in a position as a team S&C coach, he is instantly correct on everything. I liken it to when people criticize Barwis for the things he does and the first reply is “Well he works for such and such, why aren’t you if you know so much?” His dad saw tremendous improvement over the years but suddenly, he is taking it to the next level. I love the kid but can’t save him from this if nobody is willing to listen. I feel like I am going to be saying “I told you so” when he gets hurt. Oh well, what can you do.
Unless you asked for these workouts, I am guessing that the kid knows there is a problem with this new program and that’s why he sent them to you? Does the kid know the crap he’s doing now is an issue?
I asked him for them. When I was doing massage on legs today, he kind of admitted he hated the speed days. He said it felt endless. I said its not speed, it’s endurance work. Too little rest. He knows better, but he is a compliant kid. I think he just wants to make an impression so he can get a college offer. He doesn’t want to make waves. He is a great kid, I just hate having to sit and watch this happen. I pray it doesn’t ruin him.
Ok my knees hurt just even thinking about doin all of this crap! If this is the kid we talked about some time ago, dude I seriously have his dad raise all kinds of fuss over this idiotic program!
In our many conversations, it is more of the same. I just never cease to be amazed by this crap. I just like that I get a call to fix these guys when others screw them up. I guess everybody is convinced that the next best thing is right around the corner when it comes to training. It’s like “Dave, you were great, but this new guy is the end game of training.” I feel like because I am proficient and simplified in my processes that evryone thinks there must be better stuff out there. I am sure there is, but this isn’t an example of it.
Like I said, if there is a sport that need help in training its hockey!
They are completley overtrained or undertrained (little to know training at all).
This is another example of meat ball soup!
Nap, you are so correct it’s scary. I was blown away when my kid e-mailed me the program. It is such a load of dung. Like I said, I would love to sit with this guy and have him explain the rationale behind the program. Apparently all the athletes he trains lack nervous systems and endocrine systems.
What is his background, where did he learn his stuff.
I guess in their parts, stuff is good, but the whole programs is too much exposure. Nobody could possible recover from all this.
Nor could you figure out how to fix it!
You have to focus on the limiting factors of the sport - the things that can not be developed on the ice - the qualities that will impact performance improvement.
This program tries to hit everything including the kitchen sink!
It’s an issue when some (in this case) the Dad does not know good from bad, apples from oranges and so on.
They can’t see long term results when they walk into a facility (though the dad should be able to see that through his son’s results with you) they only see cones, gadgets, toys and so on that we know don’t mean much in developing an athlete but they don’t. They see what’s on the surface and not much else-it’s very superficial.
Because they don’t know enough about the subject matter they believe that simplicity and low to moderate volumes can’t be enough to be an effective program-wrong again.
They also reason that if a coach is employed by team x and they are in some top league then he must be the best. Wrong-not only is he possibly not the best but he might not even be all that competent but then the guy who hired him likely knows little of the subject of s & c either.