LOL! I read this thread a few times an yeah it made me laugh. Number two I can so relate with someone asking me about the agility ladder. I told them I sold mine to 1 year old niece so she can use it as a ladder to climb out of her crib. Charlie I couldnt agree with you more. I train my guys as athletes, not quote on quote sport-specific. The main theme I was taught was does it transfer to the playing field, court, etc? Then lets do it. Nice info xlr8. The biggest problem I notice about athletes I get is the lack of kinesthetic awareness they have. I teach that to them then they just move so much easier and seem to handle other things so much better