Shirvington confused

Shirvington confused by sprint decision
Len Johnson
March 6, 2008

MATT Shirvington says he doesn’t know where he stands after track and field selectors decided not to nominate individual sprinters, or a relay squad, for the Beijing Olympic Games, despite the fact that the men’s 4 x 100 metres relay team is in a qualifying position.

Chairman of selectors Peter Fitzgerald said: “The selectors do not believe any of our sprinters have shown a high enough standard to be included.”

Since breaking through as a 19-year-old with a national record of 10.03 seconds, when he placed fourth place in the 1998 Commonwealth Games final, the only major team for which Shirvington has not been selected previously was the 2004 Olympics.

Then, he was affected by a series of injuries and the aftermath of glandular fever. Now, he is fit and healthy, and believes he will run fast again soon, but is wondering where the selectors’ decision leaves him.

Shirvington finished fourth in the final at the nationals on Saturday, a bizarre race in which both he and Patrick Johnson were left in the blocks and subsequently lodged unsuccessful protests. “Even if I’d won, I wouldn’t necessarily have got in,” he said. The selectors seemed to be “taking a hard line on commitment to the relay and discouraging individual participation”, he said.

“At this point,” Shirvington said, “there may not be a relay team in Beijing: hence my confusion.”

Shirvington said he supported the selection criteria and understood no one had met them. A 4 x 100 relay squad — probably six runners — will be sent to Osaka in May.

Shirvington said he believed he could still achieve the 10.21 seconds A-standard required to run in the individual 100 at the Games, and to focus solely on the relay would compromise that goal.

“I need to sacrifice myself to do that,” Shirvington said. “Do I go with the relay, or roll the dice on an individual spot?”

Meeting the A standard does not get you in the team; Patrick already has one A qualifier and isn’t in the team. The criteria is top 16 in the world, which means unless you run approx 10.08 you’re not the team. This hard line approach may backfire, I already know one 10.3 guy who is thinking of changing sports.

i was talking to a person on the AA panel - and they were saying that the selection criteria is not made up by AA - its just enforced by AA.

:eek: oh no they should change it then :rolleyes:

I don’t see how that approach is going to be productive for the future of australian sprinting…

You mean having a standard and sticking to it? :confused:

not 100% sure, but, isnt the A standard 10.23?

ok, just found it - for the worlds anyway.
ENTRY STANDARDS
11th IAAF WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS IN ATHLETICS – OSAKA, JAPAN

Men
Event - Men A Stand., B Stand.; Women A Stand., B Stand.
100m - 10.21, 10.28; 11.30, 11.40

10.30 is not far off

NZ has the same policy and personally I have no issue with it provided it is part of an overall strategy.

In the case of athletics and many other sports OG is the pinnacle so the standard to compete there should be tough, you want the best of the best. Aus and other Commonwealth countries should be using the Comm Games as a key development event along with more relaxed criteria for competing at World Champs. Regular trips to Europe and the US for meets should be in there as well.

IF you have a programme like that in place AND the standard for involvement in the programme and OG, CG etc is transparent and consistent what is the issue? :confused:

All of this costs money and one question I have is how much do the people that make money off the sport put back in? By this I mean IMG, Nike, Addidas etc? :confused:

Goodbye Matt.

I meant in terms of promoting the event and fostering interest in the general community. a lot less people will be tuning in to the sprints if there are no aussies competing, and I can imagine a lot of people quietly thinking to themselves “why bother training in this event when the aussies don’t even get a go in the olympics?”

I just don’t think it’s a positive move…

i think you will find it will be more than just 1…

what about the flow on effect where we more than likely wont have 4 x 100m relay teams in the world juniors either, the next crop will think why even bother if we cant go anywhere and the talent pool will soon dry up.

Yep! - They are just killing off our sport slowly
but surely (maybe not so slowly).

SB:)

what about the flow on effect where we more than likely wont have 4 x 100m relay teams in the world juniors either, the next crop will think why even bother if we cant go anywhere and the talent pool will soon dry up.

I suggest taking dual citizenship with some African or Asian countries. Why not? If you can’t make it for Australian team and you want to be at the Games - go Swaziland :slight_smile:

At the end of the day the guys wanna enjoy the OG, don’t they?

Generally the conditions around major tracks in Oz are not conducive for fast 100m times. Headwinds & cross winds are regularly occurrences in Bris, Syd, & Mel. Meeting the criteria domestically is just not going to happen in the 100m.

The standard is top 16 in the world, which = 10.08. Nanny can confirm this, he would of been sent the new criteria.

Nope - sorry, Guess some Chines whispers got the best of you here?

MEN EVENT WOMEN
A B A B
10.21 10.28 100m 11.32 11.42
20.59 20.75 200m 23.00 23.20

The Athletics Australia’s Nomination Standards set out above are equivalent to the IAAF
Qualifying Standards (both ‘A’ and ‘B’) for all events other than the Marathon (both Men and
Women, ‘A’ and ‘B’ standards).

QUALIFICATION PERIOD
• For all events on the Track and Field Program other than the Marathon Events, the 10,000m Events,
Combined Events and 50K Racing Walk – 1 June 2007 until the date of the Final Selectors’ Meeting
(June 2008).
All Relay Events – 1 January 2007 until the date of the Final Selectors’ Meeting (June 2008).

http://www.athletics.com.au/community/412/high_performance_news/5882/aa_nomination_criteria

this is correct…10.08… but if you go after this your out of the relay program.

What have they said regarding this? That if some one pursues an individual spot they will not be selected for the relay at all??? What actions are they claiming amounts to this? Competing on a regular basis and progressing?

This is incredible. It makes you wonder what else is going on in peoples heads. PF claims that “The selectors do not believe any of our current sprinters have shown a high enough standard to be included in the list of athletes we wish to see continue to pursue a further performance for consideration,” yet Batty is as close to an ‘A’ Qualifier as any one on the list. I’d also say Shirvo and in particular PJ are as close to it in the 100m but a greater number of performers have compressed the qualifiers in the sprints.

BOLD WARRIOR
You are correct that the A in the 100m is infact 10.21, what Sharmer and Nanny are referring to is the memo the selectors sent out regarding post-nationals selection criteria. This is why Sharmer said:

Meeting the A standard does not get you in the team; Patrick already has one A qualifier and isn’t in the team.

AA do not set the standards for qualification, they do however set the criteria that must be met; for instance they stipulate that 2 A quals must be perfomed during the domestic season and nationals won to gain automatic selection. They decided this after nationals last year when PJ, Billy and Justin M had a break through (and in Justins case actually fulfilled all aspects of the selection criteria) yet because AA believed that they had fluked the times and didn’t select any of them early on.

members of both the womens and mens relay teams asked at the team meeting the sat night after nats could they run individual events in japan or asia and the answer was a very blunt NO.

now i want to see what happens if some of the guys decide to race in asia in late may june and run 10.10 or better, will they pick them…

I have been offered by Taiwan Athletics a trip for myself, 2 females and 2 males inc air and accom to head to a meet in Taiwan, on what is by far their fastest track in late May, my former (soon to relocate to OZ) taiwanese sprinter set both his national records on this track.

no one can predict what the weather will do but in the 3 years of meets i attended at this track it always seemed to have tailwinds and it will be warm at this time to.

am about to send out the invites to see what the interest is.

Well, since the selection trials are over, and the post criteria is 10.08 - if you run them times before final cut off - you should be in the team,. unless they just don’t like you i guess…

So, to learn from the mistakes of this yr, one has to run 2 x 10.21’s or better AND win Nats to not have to worry about the top 16 rule.
Haha, what if your in the 3000m steeple chase? Perhaps the top 16 athletes in the world are kenyan???