DMA's Coaching Thread

Hi dma,
Yes he seemed to handle himself well in front of a big crowd, will be interesting to see how he progresses with either the jumps or sprints. I wonder if he is going in any of the tassie Christmas/ new year carnivals. Cheers

He has stated in interviews that he’s been doing a lot of jumps onto boxes with weights and short sprints. A lot of 30s (not sure if flying or just accelerations) and it seems like nothing longer than 150m.

Grooster, there has been a change in attitude in relation to him being a Long Jumper who sprints to one of long jumper and sprinter - so will be interesting moving forward. Personally, I will like him to jump and do sprints as after thought.

He is only running the back markers at Burnie (tonight), so once I have a result I will post

Robin1, he definitely doesn’t do anything above 150m at speed - he ran a 400 (in a club handicap) and ran sub 50 (may have been 48.high), and he doesn’t do traditional weights but it is more than box jumps.

Anyone interested here is footage of Jack coming second in the backmarkers 120 in Burnie. Winner ran 12.89.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=796356810435737

Handicap

Winner ran off 2.5m (117.5m)
Hale off Scratch (120m)

DMA, it would be good if you could have a chat with his coach about the training he has been doing, since you live so close. From what I understand, his coach is very approachable.
I’d be interested to know whether he is doing any tempo work and if so, over what distances & how many repeats.

I’m surprised he doesn’t sprint any further than 150m in training, since he runs a very good 200m and apparently decent 400m.
His upper body is very light, like a middle distance runner. Do you know how much he weighs?

Neospeed - No idea how much he weighs, he is most definitely an athletic 16 year boy not man. I can’t be certain if he does sprint further than 150 in training (but have never heard of him doing it)

I will try and find out his program outline

The winner of that race, Luke Stevens just recently ran a 400m PB of 47.01 so is in good form. This Hale kid looks like he could be something special if handled correctly. Would be very interesting if you could find a little about his training program. Also I wonder if he got any appearance money to run at Bay Sheff and Burnie.
As a complete side note I ran at Burnie in 1987 and came 2nd in the gift off 6m. Great carnival.

Note - I am still trying to find info on Jack’s training.

First week back at training from a week off, and the only positive was the athlete trained. He messaged me last night and told me he was flat and fatigued.

I knew this at training during the week, he clearly burnt the candles at both ends during Christmas and new year.

Aim of the first week and the second week is to recharge the finishing element of 400, and then moving into special endurance

Training this week

Tuesday - 2 (300+60+50+40); Walk/reps, Full Rest
Wednesday - 12 x 100m easy
Thursday - 350, 320, 300; 8 min Rest
Friday - Weights easy
Saturday Comp - 200, 100, 400 then Tempo - 6 x 150m (Grass)
Sunday - Beach Recovery (10 min easy jog then 20 minutes in deep water)

The next couple of weeks training
12 January 2015
Monday - Off
Tuesday - 2 (2 x 50 + 1 x 300); Walk/reps, Full Rest + Weights
Wednesday - 12 x 100m easy
Thursday - 6 x 200; 5-4-3-2-1 min Rest (Peter Fortune Session)
Friday - Weights easy
Saturday - Comp - 200m + Tempo - 5 x 300m (Grass)
Sunday - Beach Recovery (10 min easy jog then 20 minutes in deep water)

19 January 2015
Monday - Off
Tuesday - 60, 70, 80, 70, 60 Blocks; Full Rest + Weights
Wednesday - 2 x 6 x 100m; 30 sec/reps, 2 min/sets
Thursday - 300 + 150; 30 sec Rest
Friday - Weights easy
Saturday - Off
Sunday - Competition or Training (waiting on program)

26 January 2015
Monday - Competition or Off (waiting on program)
Tuesday - Off
Wednesday - Tempo 8 x 200m in 32; 1 min Rest
Thursday - 300, 200, 100; 8 min Rest
Friday - Weights easy
Saturday - Comp 400 + 100 or 4x200 relay

Athletes can be so funny can’t they? Burning the candle at both ends… Ummm. That is so irritating for you but you seem incredibly good-natured about his attitude.

I had a good rant with a couple of coaches about it…

What is the saying, looks calm on the outside but inside is thrashing around like a mad man - or something like that.

Athlete has come down with a virus, has been fighting it for a week or so (I only found out late this week)

Next week we have a big meet in Hobart, and they have events over two days of comps for lower level local athletes, he has decided not to express an interest in ti because he doesn’t want to embarrass himself. Glad he made a decision, I think it is the wrong one, but it is his.

Anyway here is footage of a young bloke who plays Australian Rules Football, I am helping once a week to improve his technique. Definitely some improvement

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMO-k4PbH_U&feature=youtu.be

Now there we go… What a physical specimen this young man is. HOw old?
Make sure you get after him about relaxing his upper body. Not much more to say than that but I don’t need to tell you about how to coach. He is doing what some do in the early stages of their development, which is he is holding his shoulders up and his neck falls back as it’s weak right now.
Do you agree?
Very nice med ball throw in there and technically he runs so easily and naturally.
Charlie used to tell this very funny story about performance and it’s link to the burning the candle at both ends. Some of his athletes would go out on Thursday night, show up Friday and he would hear all about the fun they had. Saturday would be okay. Sunday was off. By the following Friday one full week later the guilty parties would be sucking wind, sick and out of commission. When told and questioned by him they would say …but that was a week ago.??? As I have mentioned many times here before. If someone gave him 100 percent , he gave 110 percent back and if they gave 80 percent he gave less still. He learned that working the hardest for those who worked the hardest paid bigger dividends in the end. It’s a simple life lesson isn’t it?

Hi Ange

The young bloke in the footage is 18. Thanks for pointing out the upper body :slight_smile: Literally the only cue I have been giving him run, and walk, tall as he had a habit of dropping his head down and running with a duck arse. From a development point of view he is aerobically pretty fit (in beep test who does 15), but lacks physical and core strength.

Thanks for the advice on going out and the repercussions down the track.

I think he needs to try and be a bit more relaxed too maybe? But you be the judge as I don’t want you to mess with what seems to be going well.
The physical and core stuff you can do over time. The other stuff you have there is genetic. It’s exciting to see young , athletic and eager kids.
I remember coming to your fabulous country and seeing how many athletic people there seemed to be. Was it my imagination because it’s hot and and you see the physical side of a person more or are people really so much more athletic in Australia? In your opinion?

Relaxation is his key. His parent is an emergency medicine specialist (Dad is a doctor, and Mum is paedartic nurse), so he is very smart and picks things up, but also tries to be perfect :slight_smile:

I think Australia’s weather help, coldest temperature in the capital cities is probably 10 degrees celsius, and max is 40 degrees celsius. Hobart where I live averages 10 degrees in winter and 22 degrees in summer, further north hotter it is.

The thinking is always a problem. Maybe you have heard me talk about how Charlie felt Desai suffered from having " White Man’s" disease?.. Because he was always thinking about the consequences of running well and what it all meant. This attitude was far more typical of the white athletes from families that had 2 parents , both worked and were educated etc., than many of the other kids from the Caribbean. It’s interesting to watch the final in Seoul because had he ( Desai) only maintained what he had he could have actually been 2nd, hence got the gold medal. Imagine that.

This weeks training has been good, due to work commitments less training than planned.

Tuesday

5 x 60m out of blocks. In his last rep he beat the 100m sprinter by 3 metres. Tech in blocks isn’t great, but seems to get into a good position by third stride.

Thursday didn’t train as he had a 14 hour day. Working as a trainee electrical engineer, and has been getting a good education on hydro electric schemes.

Saturday we did a hill session, testing and squad comp. Session was 60m hill, 100m hill, and 300m hill - these are approximates. Recovery was 8 minutes after 60, and 15 minutes after 100m. He ran 46.2 in 300, his pb is 45.5. Pretty happy with that as he probably had a little left in his tank (think 40-50m left in a 400m)

He isn’t far from running a pb, if he lets it come and not force or think too much

Guy seems very talented.
how did he look in the hills outside of the times?
And killing the guy that runs the 100 meters? That’s interesting too isn’t it? I can see why working with this person is so intoxicating. Coaching can be so much fun.
What are your thoughts about the blocks? I guess getting him to practice and keeping him there is a higher priority right now than trying to mess with his blocks? Sometimes that will take smaller amounts of time and energy if you pick the right time to " fix " it.

Coaching is definitely enjoyable, it is also a challenge. Like life really

In regard to blocks, we don’t do a lot out of them but we do a lot of three point start in training. In the session we did last week the only thing I told him to do was to accelerate for as long as he could. For the 100m sprinter I asked for him to get longer out of the blocks, by that I mean get full extension out of the block (I hope that makes sense)

The way I look at blocks is that for a 400m runner it is not of a high importance, and the aim to is to be to accelerate out of them.