Darvis Patton

Five Myths About Training Athletes
Erick Minor

http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do?id=2413056

I found the following part interesting:

"Myth #3: “Olympic lifts and plyometrics are necessary to improve rate of force development.”

Countless strength coaches believe that in order to be fast you must train fast. That’s why Olympic lifts are staples in athletic training.

I don’t see it that way. Rate of force development is movement-specific, involving a combination of reaction time, maximal strength, flexibility, coordination, and familiarity with the task. Of those qualities, at least two are somewhat genetic — you either have great coordination and reaction time, or you don’t. They’re among the least trainable qualities athletes need to succeed.

On the other hand, strength is the most trainable of all athletic qualities. That’s where coaches need to focus in the weight room. And I’ll be even more specific: In my experience, the eccentric strength of the antagonist muscles is what limits the ability of the prime movers to produce speed and power.

Take a pitcher in baseball. The more eccentric strength he has in the external rotators of his shoulder, the more pitches he’ll be able to throw, and the more often he’ll be able to throw them.

With sprinters, I’ve had a lot of success by emphasizing the eccentric strength of the hamstrings. The hamstrings have a dual role in sprinting: they’re the prime movers — the agonists — during propulsion. That is, they combine with the other posterior-chain muscles to make you go. But when you’re recovering from that part of the running motion, they’re the antagonists to the hip-flexor muscles, which are responsible for pulling your thigh up toward your chest. We call this the “late swing phase” of the sprint cycle, and it’s when most hamstring injuries occur.

In other words, the hamstrings are most likely to get injured when they’re working eccentrically, as the antagonists to the hip-flexor muscles. My job as a coach is to increase the eccentric strength of the hamstrings in the sprinters I train.

With Darvis Patton, I like to use a semi-stiff-legged deadlift with a 40X1 tempo — four seconds to lower the weight to the floor, no pause, an explosive lift, and a one-second pause at the top. He can do five reps with 405 pounds, which is pretty impressive for a drug-free athlete who’s six feet tall and weighs just 174 pounds. We also use trap-bar deadlifts and podium deadlifts, but no box jumps, power cleans, or power snatches.

It’s certainly worked for Darvis. In 2006 his best time in the 100 meters was 10.27 seconds. This year it’s 9.89."

Very impressive semi stiff leg deadlift aka rdl by patton. I think many coaches overlook the tempo aspect of lifts which I think can benefit some athletes.

This article is extremely misleading.

How so DR??

Elaborate!

I’m a bit confused (what’s new you may ask).
If RFD isn’t critical in lifting (my opinion also), why the emphasis on the lifting tempo?

Ok Elaborating!

He is trying to take all the credit for Doc Darvis Patton. His 10.27 in 2006? He was already running 10 flat prior to this. And his 9.89with was with a 4 wind. Im sure if Doc saw this article he would laugh. I know Doc. He runs fast because of his coach in texas, not because of this guy. Next time you ask a question ask politely or I won’t answer.

Charlie

OK, I’ll bite.

Why do you say that RFD is not important in lifting? Do you mean this in relative terms to the success of a sprinter, or in general?

Thanks!

Because the specific RFD in sprinting is so high it renders the weight speeds irrelevant. Other events or sports may receive benefits that outweigh the risks of higher weight speeds (as in a conversion phase).

I think you are saying the samething his coach is saying and this is why they dont perform any ol’s.

So all the powerlifters that train with speed days are wrong. What about Ballistic or compensatory acceleration training. These aren’t good methods of training. Don’t tell that to Dr.Squat or any of the athletes squatting and benching 1000 pounds. What about what John Smith was doing. Pausing and exploding. Your telling me all the other sprinters don’t do some form of moving the weights as fast as they can with a lower percentage of their max. This prevents injuries also, and allows athletes to train at heavy intensities without heavy weights. What does it say in Training for Speed. Come on now.

As well as leading people on that Doc went from 10.27 to 9.89 because of him, this article looks like it is written by a very novice personal trainer. I’m sorry. It just does.

Charlie

Thanks for the reply. While I’m a big fan of RFD for other sports, I am a novice in the world of T&F. Thanks!

They might not do any OL’s but a TON of other successful one’s have as you know.

Donovan Bailey, Bruny Surin, KST, Ato Boldon, Mo Greene

Mark McCoy, Jonathan Edwards, Walter Davis, etc.

So, it either does not matter that they do the lifts OR it is beneficial to use them. It almost seems like a fad to now say, “Well, I don’t use Oly Lifts.” Ok. Well a lot of guys faster than Doc do. I think the reason why a lot of these guys are saying they don’t use them is because they do not have a damn clue how to do them or how to teach them so they say we don’t use those awful Olifts.

Powerlifters aren’t sprinters. They use speed days to help increase motor unit recruitment. Whether or not this actually works is up for debate, however, say it did work, a sprinter’s motor unit recruitment work and speed work is already taken care of on the track.

Do what’s necessary to get results. It can’t be argued that doing RFD work in the weightroom is necessary for a sprinter.

He is not just talking about sprinters if you read the article. He mentions powerlifters too.

The point is you don’t have to do OL lifts to produce fast movements. You can do this with compensatory acceleration and get the same effect with squats or bench, going down VERY slowly then exploding at the bottom of the lift. Or, you can lift as M.Greene did (depending on which day) holding the lift for however many seconds. Or you can do OL lifts.

Either way this guy is wrong.

I’m not looking to be part of a fad.
There are many ways to get the job done- provided you understand what that job is.

Thank you.!!

Me neither. I think you hit the take home answer as usual.

Hamstrings are prime movers? Clearly one of us thinks differently and taught differently. I thought the hamstring where syngerists to the gluteals maximus in hip extension?